Tell 'em they're dreaming . . . Govt announces new policy, predator free by 2050

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Originally Posted by Kscott

I wonder how many countries in the world are rat free ?

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Parts of some - Alberta has been fighting rats since 1950 - they set up a rat free zone 29km wide and 600km long along their border with Saskatchewan and despite some small incursions - it remains intact today
Climate and population in the area is a bit different to NZ - Norway rats are unique because they must live with people or within their buildings. They cannot survive in natural areas and cannot overwinter in cultivated fields in Canada.
Amazing that it could be done and even more amazing that it can be maintained - they don’t even have 1080 :roll:

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex3441

Another problem that arose with the island... All rats could be gone off public land, if you still have rats on your 300 acre bush block do you have to pay to remove them??

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Originally Posted by time out

Parts of some - Alberta has been fighting rats since 1950 - they set up a rat free zone 29km wide and 600km long along their border with Saskatchewan and despite some small incursions - it remains intact today

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That's my point, an area 29km wide by 600km isn't that big when compared to an entire country, with open coastline and numerous entry ports. NZ coastline runs for over 15,000km.

The Govt has taken the concept of some ideals working well in a small, isolated environment like an island, and are planning on spending more public money on an ideology that can't work.

gimp gimp gimp, sigh.

I was talking with one of the doc field bosses the other day and rats came up. Can you, without googling it tell me, cause this rooster couldn't. What is the gestation period for a rat and how long before they are impregnated after dropping. I maintain if you are trying to kill something you should at an absolute minimum know that.
Rabbits are 28 days and pregnant within 12 hours of dropping.
Does doc have a proper pest management plan in place? No. Maybe in some small areas, but even then I have my doubts after working beside them. Would a proper plan make any difference? Fuck YES. Is the bullshit in doc so thick that they don't think straight? You answer...

I was at a meeting the other day and the OSPRI boss rooster for the southern area was there, busy telling me how I was totally wrong on the cost to doc of 1080 operations. The dickhead didn't realize that is a simple OIA, by the way that was $59.50 per hectare for the 2013/14 season
https://wrant.wordpress.com/2015/10/...ealand-part-2/

However gimp I also know of some damning evidence that hopefully in the very near future can be made public. Oh, and a lot of it is docs own research.

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Originally Posted by viper

Wow interesting news Mauser, I moved to Cromwell from KatiKati about 4 months ago ( my wife thinks we moved here for the work,......I came for the rabbits:). Numbers in Kati were really low but sounds like things are on the move with Rabbit numbers up there. I was kinda dreading my first central winter but so far it's been very mild. I spoke to a guy who was shooting rabbits for meat and he was saying that some of the Does are pregnant which is he thought very unusual and wonders if numbers aren't going to explode down here come spring......bring it on ( not good for the farmers )

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No, they are about bang on time, start seeing young ones running around in August. That is in fact an age thing, namely the old bastard doesn't realise he's getting old and time is slipping away on him. :D

Rats...googled this...

Brown rats live in large, hierarchical groups, either in burrows or subsurface places, such as sewers and cellars. When food is in short supply, the rats lower in social order are the first to die. If a large fraction of a rat population is exterminated, the remaining rats will increase their reproductive rate, and quickly restore the old population level

soooooooo....:(

doc researched it with landcare research using 1080 EBs, seems they go well above pre-poison levels within 12-18 months.

Her eis a thought,

They found a few foreign Fruit flies in Auckland a few years back....How much did they spend to remove these pests from becoming established? They were in a small area, and in numbers that if they were natives would be condsidered extremely endangered. That level of effort across the whole country will destroy us.

I am not saying they did the wrong thing there, quite the opposite, it was something we definitely do not want here and they were right to pursue that course of action. But do they realise, that was like a teenager saying "I changed a light bulb in my car, that means I am ready to do a full strip down and restoration on it. Should be ready by the weekend...."

I like the idea they want to try, I like the idea that they want to do more to eradicate and control pests, but they are attempting something they cannot ever even hope to succeed at.

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Originally Posted by Wirehunt

doc researched it with landcare research using 1080 EBs, seems they go well above pre-poison levels within 12-18 months.

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ye gods...:omg:

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Originally Posted by Wirehunt

doc researched it with landcare research using 1080 EBs, seems they go well above pre-poison levels within 12-18 months.

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Which is perfect really as you have to re apply 1-2 years later due to a rat explosion due to a "beach seeding mast" :ORLY:

listen the whole things easily solvable just get murray[bribe ,em] mcully involved.
within a week or 3 the preds will be toastin thier arses in a saudi desert predator hub where not one will survive.
and for 4 million quid plus we can also artificislly boost air nz,s profit line by bookin the stoats and weasels the sheep seat s
[dammit i mean cheap seats]
the pred weasels and stoats i mean not murray and the big red dumb.
WHATS ARABIC FOR THANK YOU MR FERRET FOR YOUR KIND GIFTS OF WEASELS AND STOATS and cash shhh.
by the way effendi we,l find someone else to sell us live sheep with even less scruples and even less positive cash flow [i know you should laugh]
also your saudi trade deals got as much chance as the tpp and cost as much to.
so salaam salaam and fuck you very much:O_O::D:D

You guys don't understand middle management speak. They don't actually mean predator free, they just mean they will have pest controls programs in place that will cost the full amount of money they have budgeted for. There is no way they would tie their jobs to actual results. That would be suicide.

But I will observe that it is good practice to make dramatic claims that will come to fruition after most of the people involved are either dead or retired.

Yep. Bureaucracies' prime function is self perpetuation. In DoC's and TBFree 's cases the rat rebreeding capacity is a business model. Fleecing the taxpayer is the incidental consequence and this income secured by statute legislation based on bullshit.

Hello @Woody Happy New Year!

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Originally Posted by Maca49

Hello @Woody Happy New Year!

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+1

Yep; but I;ll be a damned sight happier when the green rain is stopped for ever.

Take a tip from me hahaha.