any of you guys/gals
used 22 hornet on goats
if so what max distance,projectile weight etc
cheers Muz
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any of you guys/gals
used 22 hornet on goats
if so what max distance,projectile weight etc
cheers Muz
I used 22lr exclusively on goats as a kid, always got in close. I’ve got a hornet that I’d shoot a goat out to 100yards with a 45gr SP. could probably go a little further with a higher mag scope. I’d be head and neck shooting only. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a8667c953a.jpgid also happily take a shot at a deer under the right circumstances. It’s a great little round.
@R93
I haven't ever shot a goat with my hornet[emoji16]
Pinged half a dozen spring/summer deer tho. All within 100 yrds but I would happily shoot out to 200 if I have time, little wind and a good rest.
Shot a couple with the 55 gr hornady SP and the rest with the Sierra 45gr SP
I am using a K Hornet doing around 3000fps with the 45gr.
First deer I shot with the 55 hornady dropped dead on the spot. Hit base of the skull at 80ish yrds. The projectile did bugger all damage. Only chipped bone but I have had the same experience with that bullet and used it for years succesfully in the 223.
But it sort of put me off using it in the hornet as the second animal I took with it had bugger all trauma as well.
The 45 gr Sierra seems to work heaps better damage wise so I stuck with that.
Deer or goats shot head or neck at sensible distances, a Hornet will work as good as anything.
I will try and take a cham and thar for the table with it when I get the chance.
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currently having a bit of a come back at my local NZDA range.
I was enamored with it when I saw the performance with the new powders (Lil'gun). Always wanted a soft quiet shooting accurate rabbit and goat rifle.
Mate's talked me out of it as I can't use it on DOC land. (Doubt many could tell the difference between 223 and 22 Hornet, As long as it's not a 22rf.)
May yet get myself one anyway.
When I was a kid and even my son's shot their first goats with a 22RF.
Have shot a number of goats with a down loaded 243, trailboss, 58gr Vmax at 2400 fps and I see a Hornet will drive a 55 gr bullet at 2650 fps.
As long as you can head/neck shoot then up to small small deer are not a problem at sensible ranges.
I have some ideas on bullets for goat in a Hornet but have not shot any myself. 40-45 is the obvious choice but don't expect them to bust though a shoulder and do much internal damage. Drop them in side on just behind the foreleg and they will be going down. The heavier 55 gr bullets will penetrate OK but you may not have enough velocity to get much. expansion.
In the 243 the 58gr Vmax bullets at 2400 fps hitting a goat at 50 mtr will pass though side on leaving a nice exit hole. recovered bullets showed a nice mushroom without fragmentation due to the low velocity. I would imagine the heavier (for 22 hornet) Vmax bullets would perform in a similar manor at the lower Hornet velocities.
Z
Mobs of goats are currently happy that the .22 Hornet is a centrefire cartridge.
Don't know about down south but up here DOC has a minimum of .222 for their hunting permits, used to be .22 Hornet.
Yes, standard across the country that .222 in minimum. Rimfires and .22 hornet specifically banned. So the confusion would come in on some of the more obscure .22 cals and large wildcat .20 cals.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
Unless you can load a .22 Hornet so hot it is on a par with .222Quote:
Originally Posted by Dama dama
The dumb thing is if you get a DOC small game or game bird permit a .22, 22 Hornet and shotgun is ok in the same area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dama dama
having shot literally hundreds of goats with an open sighted .22lr I can say that an accurate .22 hornet would be alot more efficent and effective. head neck or in the crease,keep ranges as short as possible,sub hundy ideal and all will be good. its a step up from the .22 magnum and goats go down rather nicely with that round too...shot placement is everything.
im a farm hunter not much doc land i can use with quad (disability reasons) plus i have 260 rem for times i do hunt doc stuff 22-Hornet is for turkeys,rabbits,hares mainly but will take goats if one popped up
It will do all that just fine, Do you allready own one? if not just buy a 223 mini action or something and go slay. Bit more poke still cheap to shootQuote:
Originally Posted by quadhunter260
@Nick-D yep a nice lefthand browning abolt in 22hornet😎🤙
Ive shot my fair share of game with a hornet up to & including deer. Don't attempt a chest or neck shot on goats or larger with any factory ammo offering. The very fast expanding projectiles will leave a very shallow crater & one screaming animal! Now if you load the hornet with heavier construction projectiles meant for the .223 you will have no issue at all. 200 yds is about where I feel goats & larger is the ethical limit.
Used to use the old mans Brno double trigger 22 hornet on bunny and deer stalking reds, the old man would only let me head shoot them. A long shot back then was 80m. We were using factory 45gr sp.
Father used one on Coronet Peak in the 50s shot I imagine hundreds he went with the Hornet as accurate and ammo didn't weigh a hell of lot.
Used on deer as well.
Brno as well.
I always remember an article in an old rod and rifle from late 70s early 80's about a dude with a 22 hornet.
The cover shot was of a nice stag already shot, on the bush edge looking back out over one of the lakes near Rotorua.
The article started how he got the rifle in Sydney at the last minute only hours before getting on the plane. Think he may've checked it as baggage (no paperwork back then). Got it home and made the stock more suitable-cut it a little and stained it before taking it out.
Good size stag from what I recall.
Anyone remember that?
Na, you memory is better than mine, but if you go back another 15 years I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
The Hornet and K Hornet are neat little calibers I have owned several over the years and still have a K Hornet. I have shot deer with the standard Hornet at about 100 yds with a neck shot and it was dead on the spot. Goats were easy with the Hornet out to about the same or a bit more. I used to shoulder shoot with the factory ammo back in the 70's and the goats always ran about 50 yards then started falling over. Body shots on big billies can be testing as they tend to soak up the lead a bit. For the animals you list they are fine and very cheap to load for , about 700 rounds from a pound of powder. I currently use the Hornady 45 gr bullet which seems to kill well and for smaller animals the 40 gr Noslar BT shoots well in my rifle.
Surprisingly the two loads shoot to the same point of impact at 100 yards which is handy. My current 22 K Hornet is a old Walther with a shortened to 20 inch barrel has no blueing and a few pits in the chamber end of the barrel but it still shoots very well considering.
The 45 gr load is doing 2701 fps using AR 2205 nd the 40 gr load does 2831 fps using AR 2205.
It's a real shame they won't let you use 22 hornet on DOC land anymore, they're a great wee cartridge. Used to carry one when I first started hunting with the old man, accurate and so long as shots were close and in the right spot it was good to go.
True. But someone will then pipe up and hail the .22WMR as having the same qualities. And .22LR for the good shots (and let's face it, who thinks he is an average shot, or, God forbid, below average shot?)Quote:
Originally Posted by mawzer308
shhhhh or someone will mention there is nothing in current rules preventing you from loading a .222 DOWN to below hornet levels and using it.....
Can see your point but there is a marked difference and it is centrefire. Is it the best choice no, but will do the job if you do yours. For the OPs circumstances and purpose I think it'd be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
i normally use 260 rem for goats upwards however ill use hornet on a goat if it pops up at shots im happy with and within smart limits while out hunting small game if im soley going after goats 260 gets the nod everytime
ive wanted a hornet since i was a young fulla taken til im 40 to get my hands on lefthand one 😎
Thank quad. Pm.
Once my Grandfather gave up using his 303 for trout (late 1930's)
He moved to a 22 Hornet which my dad and uncle shot their first deer with in the early 1950's before he got a 243. Nelson area.
P's story behind the trout was he started as a school teacher at a depression gold field work camp. I think a fair bit of class time was dedicated to ensuring the kids got a meal and warmth in winter. Did a vege garden and took older kids shooting to carry back meat, deer, trout etc.
Z
I detect a misunderstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by mawzer308
.22 hornet semis are illegal as centrefire. Only rimfires .22 and below are legal semis.
Most powerful semi available for non commercial pestcontrollers is a .17 WSM. And yes, speak to SPCA.
If shooting goats for pest control you are exempted from the charge of "deliberate animal cruelty" under the animal welfare act (even if it IS deliberate cruelty!).
If purely harvesting goats for meat and not for pestcontrol, you could be charged if using an inadequate / suboptimal round.
🤔where did i say semi auto 22 hornet?
No one mentioned a semi, the confusion is all hisQuote:
Originally Posted by quadhunter260
Pull up. That last line is now so easy to defend its ridiculous. Best the popo and govt are charged as they have in fact caused anim cruelty via removing best tool for job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
@Wirehunt
You got my point.
fact govt is a bunch of cocksmokers dosent really go with what i asked anyhoo cheers for the advice and suggestions frm some 🤙😎
As for the semi hornet, I heard a story years ago from an old shooter (mind you historically some of his stories were quite how should we say, embellished).
He was in the army and one of the armourers for his last qualification supposedly converted a 30 m1 carbine to 22 hornet.
It was apparently quite a nifty little piece. Cannot confirm the truth but if it shot alright and used like everyone has said for closer range work it would've been quite the tool. quite a few years before the mini 14.
An old culler mate of mine used to use a Hornet on Tahr, so goats should be no problem....:thumbsup:
If you can source some Norma or other European .22 Hornet ammo the bullets are tougher than American made ones they use the .22 Hornet on Roe deer,
I used Sako factory on goats years ago killed better than any reloads with American projectiles I tried.
Sellier and bellot is great
works well got 7 today im only using 35v max so need to be aware of its limitations I try to get closer than 100m and pick shots carefully head shots for humane kills this is my krico just a budget set up cheap nikko stirling 4x12x44 I think airking scope cheap Remington bipod and according to some crappy lee gear for the handloads once ive run out of the v max I might step up to sierra 45hp they shot well in it as well Attachment 114328
Are you using the factory 35gr v max loads?Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
hand loads fed sr primer 12.5 lil gun 35 v max havnt chronod it but I guess its zipping along maybe one of those apps can figure it out run a similar load in my h&r handi both little tack drivers
I’ve got about seven boxes of the factory 35gr stuff, but I’m now using sellier and bellot 45gr soft point
