not yet,but its food for thought
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not yet,but its food for thought
@TARGEX what do you have that would work in a 1-12 for deer?
I can make a 60gr FB/HP that will work in a 12" twist if thats any good to you.
I can't go any heavier than that on the jacket length I have to work with that will stabilise in the 12"twist.
Cheers, Bryn
60g nbt@3100fps
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Great to see a Mercator earning its keep :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Its probably the longest single cut ever made by one of those things :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ground Control
..... before it went bluntQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I recall in one of the Graf boys videos/dvds they slice n dice up an entire deer using the humble mercator...from memory he steeled it twice. I do recal he had about meter of twine on it through wee rinc at back so it didnt get lost and could wrap around hand for extra grip.
The cullers we knew in the early 70's used the humble mercator. All they needed it for was the tail and the occasional back steak for tea.Weight was a biggie for them. As 1/2 the pack was required for Parkdrive [yellow packet].How times have changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Just strop up on a Sako 75 barrel :)
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Must have been a particularly tender bastardQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
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Originally Posted by TeRei
Yes. In the old days the trip was over when you ran out of tobacco no matter what you were doing.
I have got 55 grain Hornadys going 3300fps from my CZ527, and shooting under an inch, around .75. Is this too fast for this bullet on deer do you think or should I stick with 70 grain Speers at 2950fps.
Shoot one and find out for yourself, simple really. Hornady 55SP work for me from 2800 to a shade under 2300fps. 72 deer down in last year so they work for me.
That's a decent sample size! I guess if they did anything odd or inconsistent you would have seen it by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by woods223
I think they will be ok. They shed velocity quite quickly. In the 80's I used them in a 22.250 on deer quite a bit and they worked just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury
Should have proof read before posting. Should read 2800 to shade under 3300 FPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by woods223
Back in the day it was mainly shooting at roos in full flight on all outings,you certainly learnt quick or down the road lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Yes we..all three of us that is ran five dogs each between us hence 90% on the run. We were allowed three rounds per kill.
I'm sure I've bleated on about the South Canterbury Wallaby Board a long ways back. Knocking roos over at sometimes long distances in full flight become relatively easy after day in day out as to speak..like flogging the pool table as such and becomming good at it.
We did however shoot many your way ..sitting and sniping down into gullies etc but most kills on the job were full flight jobs.
The wallabys will be still cruising about long after we are all gone fi sure...long live the roo lol.
Around 300 yards. 74 grn Targex. Quite a hole.
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Why would any "Hunter" shoot 72 deer in a year? That's one every 5 days...... that's a hell of a lot of walking, butchering, carrying, unless........
Mate this is a thread on how cool and effective the 223 is. Go and start another thread if you wish to start something around why people shoot x amount of deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peeaye
unless... unless what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peeaye
It is called having the proper life priority. What a crack up. LOL. That deserves an 8 twist. Comment of the century.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300wsm for life
Unless we step back in time Peeaye..72 dead deer in a year would most likely see you down around the bottom of the list Peeaye,,I kid you not lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peeaye
The .223 loaded with most any 55grain soft points will put down a big animal every time with the right chap behind the bolt. Those chaps usually know everything there is to know about ..wind, distance, how much lead, how much drop etc..
having that knowledge and a tad more can be very very lethal. Big thick skinned animals may require two or in some cases three to put them down for good ..at the right distance.
I shoot 20 deer in a weekend sometimes or 15 in a night, and I mention to people.. they tell me yeah right your full of it... I just say, yeah hahahah I am and laugh.... 72 in a year is nothing in this day and age.. and good on that man, deer really are a problem so well done 👍...
Anyway good opportunity to use post 1000 as an ode to the 70 speer... The legendary old school pill that does the job everytime. My favorite pill launched at 2950.. the flying brick, she never never fails me..
‘Unless’ what? 72 deer in a year isn’t particularly hard to achieve but 100% meat recovery, apart from shot damage, does take a lot of effort. Foodbank and other people who receive free meat appreciate it. Around here there’s no shortage of animals and the potential to shoot hundreds is there, which is what I will possibly be doing over the next few months. Game processor isn’t processing large numbers and farmers want animals gone. Shooting to waste isn’t ideal but that’s the reality sometimes. There’s areas around here where animals are lighter than normal, probably because of overpopulation. Short story is they’re a ‘pest’ in some areas and need sorting out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peeaye
because our dearly beloved leaders will want to nuke them with 1080.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peeaye
1080 is not used for deer management. Please don't spread misinformation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyJason
1080 kills every thing No Management involved.
Its not registered to be used on deer as a targeted primary poison. Simply, it is illegal. That though does not dismiss by-kill of deer which of course does occur. The use of repellent greatly reduces deer by-kill. There are lots of examples, e.g. the number of deer in the Haurangis. We should lobby for repellent on every occasion. @flock thats why we ought to all belong to NZDA or an affiliated organisation. And yay for the Game Council. They are interested in deer management.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyJason
The greatest danger to the deer populations is the .223. There would be mayhem on the deer population if .223 ammo was subsidised. I was half expecting to see it in the budget :)
1080 is certainly not licenced for use as a management tool for ungulates, but as we have seen time and again, when authorities time its use, don't use repellant, etc etc, it sure 'manages' deer populations:(Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
:D:D:D The eternal optimist!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I was involved in 1982 studies monitoring 1080 affectiveness at Pureora, Kokako protection, Indigenious Forest Management, Forest Research Institute.
Young woody at the time, I was keen to stay out there & hunt, but no the scientists had to get back to Rotorua (wifes) 3hrs a day traveling, I would been entitled to camp allowance, you do the math. So the healthy activity of hunting got overtaken by drinking, quite common in the forest service.
'Anyway' we did grid searches, I soon realised there was no point hunting there, deer numbers at that time were not high, but we found more than expected, so a totally Successful result.
I understand that large area's of NZ that are not acessable and the only tool available is 1080, in these areas, the bottom line is, all browsers gone. Back then, there was no deer deterrent, so can't comment.
I want to see the next generation, get out hunting, for their own physical and mental health.
Leave the accessable stuff to be controlled/managed by hunters.
I'll try and get this thread back on track with the following question:
What is the 62gr hornday SPBT any good? They must be an improvement over the 55gr SP. I assume both the Serria 65gr and Targex 69gr would be significantly better- is this a safe assumption?
The reason I ask is that the 62gr is super cheap at Gunworks.
Those 62sp are bloody good as are the 55 I'm not sure why I keep spending a furtune on other pills when they both work so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dama dama
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Sorry for the de -rail just telling it from a different point of view. Love 223 a very capable round in the right hands, my vote goes to 65g game king at as near as 3000fps you can get it to, at moderate ranges.
Starting at 52/55 grain - which are good enough - the killing effectiveness at increasing ranges exponentially improves so long as you can hold the velocity up. Soft bullets are fine (the curved ball are the lighter mono's but generally they are best at the shorter ranges). Peak effectiveness seems to be reached at 70-80 grains held at over 2800 fps MV. By then you are getting out to ranges you would have traditionally reserved for the likes of the .243. Not that a comparison should be made . 'Cos if you are using a .223 bigger calibers aren't in the frame at the time of squeezing the trigger. That's my take on it.
Are the 55gr hornadys still OK for shouldering shots on deer, smaller animals?
Or really try for just behind in the crease hilar area? Still to confirm twist in mine but guarantee it won't be the heavy hobbies being referred to
I smacked a big sika hind at 200m smack in the middle of the shoulder and it never moved with the good old Hornady 55sp.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
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@csmiffy Here's a 55 grn Hornady. MV 3,100fps. Belmont ammo. About 200 yards. You can see the projectile sitting in the off side hole before I picked it out. The deer didn't go anywhere. Fallow doe.
Can't complain about that for performance.
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