Kiwi Greg's post on the Creedmoor he made was very interesting. Certain death. The stats on the 22 Creedmoor are mind boggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
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Kiwi Greg's post on the Creedmoor he made was very interesting. Certain death. The stats on the 22 Creedmoor are mind boggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
In the hut book at Maropea Forks in 1974 Chris Satherley was bemoaning an entry by Jim Warren about his river trip form Otukota to Maropea Forks as Warren had commented he had seen 9 deer and had taken some nice fotos of animals he had seen. . Warren had established a reputation of excellent photography skills. Satherley was compaining how many deer he had actually shot.Warren got some very high tallies. Met both Warren and Satherley at Mokai Base hut in december 1975.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
I had the pleasure of hunting with Jim in the Ruahines early in my hunting career maybe 15 years ago, at the time I didn't know of his reputation and of course he didn't say much about it either. After reading books about the old days it started to add up and I certainly learnt a thing or two that day. He certainly knew where to find the deer [emoji16][emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by TeRei
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Has anyone had any experience with Hornady Black 75gr on deer I would be very interested in the results/ feedback.
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I haven't used these pills in particular, but i have used other 77gr BTHP pills in .223. They will have inconsistent results expansion wise, they might 'pencil' through if you dont hit bone. You could drill the tips with a 1.5-2mm sized bit to improve the reliability to expand. Either way they'll be poor at bush ranges, exploding if they hit brush etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergara_bangstick
They will definitely kill deer , but there are better pills out there to use.
Dont tell me about it ...Berger 95gr. Straight thru stags.Opened the tip. Made no difference. Very accurate but dont expand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roarless20
Thanks mate duly noted [emoji106]Quote:
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@199p Thanks for put up a link to Podcast 35 Bullet Ballistics. I've listened to it once, but need to listen again to try and retain more information. There is a lot of information! Interesting bit about how far under the skin a bullet expands.
From memory I recall you put up a second link (might have been the same link, one for YouTube, one for Apple) could you please epluy to this with the second link?
Cheers,
Hugh
Hey Hugh yes it is full of great information that shows what most people already know and goes into depth debunking some myths and giving reason why some bullets dont perform as well as others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Shields
1st deer I seen that ran off was shot with a barns ttsx and this podcast explains why that would have happened as it was a great shot.
The owner sold that rifle the next day in disgust.
I have linked this podcast a few times for those who want to learn about terminal ballistics in a well-explained way.
77 grn Tipped Match King last evening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSr8yArHaFk
Yep devastating . My ONLY regret with my .223 is having cut the barrel to short. I should have left a couple more inches on it to get more peed out of the heavier projectiles. Still I get the same results with the 69gn TMK. Im not sure a deer would notice the 8gns difference either :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Moment of impact. You can see the upset ripple in the skin & hair.
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How do you rate the Arken, Whats it like in the pitch black? I am about to pull the trigger on one for my Tikka .223.
Very good. Using the IR you will get shots ok out to 275 or so. Without the IR you can still shoot way past normal shooting light - better on night time B&W than colour when it's dark if you dont use the IR. Cant be beaten for value or size. The new Hikmicro 4K will be a step up but bigger, heavier and spendier.Quote:
Originally Posted by MP270
Bruce - after normal shooting light how are you spotting the deer? Are you using the optic as a monocular mounted on the rifle or do you have a quick detach mount that you can use to remove it and use it as a handheld? Or do you have another handheld device?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
this is the question I have to answer because I hate using nightvision optics that are mounted on the rifle.
Hand held thermal. A shitty old Guide but it does the job.
I’m the thoroughly modern man. But old.
Ditto
18 to 20" seems optimal. My Tikka is still standard and it doesn't bother me. Other 2 are 20".Quote:
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@gimp is that the March 'scope?Quote:
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Run that past me again... the date?Quote:
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It's why he is so successful - he can see into the future ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TeRei
Changing the date and time on it is a bit of techo I haven't mastered yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barefoot
What about @gimp. He uses a March 'scope in December.
I have wondered, while reading this thread and learning, what the most common .223 barrel lengths in use are. There is always the trend/desire for a compact bush gun, but seems a lot of you blokes are regularly making shots in the 180-300+ range. Longer is always better, (so they say) but a man does ponder these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
My mate has a Browning which he did not chop and still compains about it being like a noodle with a Hardy can. Ask Friwi. Done all our 223's. Think they are 19. Really difficult to swing on deer if you have an uncut barrel and can. Balance is essential. Ask Friwi again and you never do any cursing when you are in the bush and saying to yourself...he was right. LOL.
I'm not really sure if this is a question but I'm happy with 18" and would be equally happy with 16" I suspect, for the inside 300m sort of operationQuote:
Originally Posted by Jt89
I had a dud lot of 2208 where my load was something like 150fps slower than it should be, and I went and shot things with it to use the rounds up, and things died. Would have been similar to a 14" maybe.
Talking about rifle lenghts not a Harold Robbins book. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
228m, same 73gr eldm load. My youngest son's first stag, velvet ethics aside I didn't have the heart to tell him he couldn't shoot. One very happy lad, antlers off to get cured. First shot was a wee bit back but still caught some lung, Logan gave him another one to the chest to seal the deal.
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Good on you, if he’s like most of us he’ll remember his first deer for the rest of his life. Velvet ethics? as long as the animal wasn’t wasted no problem.
Can't wait to hear the story next time I catch up with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mawzer308
Good effort by all!
Good shooting Logan,keep the familly feed.Your mum n dad will be pround of you.
Congrats to your son on a magnificent first stag. I'm sure he will never forget that, especially when hunted with his dad.
In my heart I hope you might someday explain to your son that he has a choice of what to do should he ever encounter such a velvet stag again. Not preaching here, and I'm not suggesting for a moment anything wrong has been done, because it hasn't, but believe it or not if I had come across this stag I would let it walk, and been happy to do that. That's simply my personal ethics talking. In hard antler though I would definitely shoot.
But actually I'm glad you didn't stop your son from taking the shot. I remember my early trials many moon ago trying like hell to just shoot my first deer. It was such a life changing moment when it finally all came together.
A few years ago when hunting with my hunting son we came across a velvet Sika 8 pointer but nowhere as nice as your boy's stag. My son already had a few deer under his belt by then. We debated whether to shoot or not. I told him it was his decision. He declined the shot so we sat and watched the stag until he fed out of view. It remains in my treasured memories of special times we shared.
Sorry about the rant. Congrats agian to your son. I'm glad you're getting the velvet preserved. It's a beautiful trophy.
Well done Logan you will never forget that beauty. Nice valley too:thumbsup:
In days gone by I might have shared the sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by 30.06king
But these days you need to shoot everything you see on sight. Young hunter / first stag aside, the only way I would’ve let this deer walk would have been if there were hinds nearby. The over population of deer of all species across the central North Island is unreal and we cannot afford to be fussy. That includes shooting to waste if you have already got a full backpack.
Recreational hunters need to do their bit in trying to control the numbers. Even if everybody did, it probably wouldn’t be enough such is the out-of-control breeding rate.
I certainly agree on deer numbers af their present levels. These days we hunters simply need to shoot more of them, for their sake and that of habitat. And yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
, it would be very difficult to head off the present breeding rate. In some situations I realise the high road of "ethics" is not the right approach.
Not a reference to your ethics by the way, but a comment on mine.
Just an observation. If the stag was in the company of hinds or not is irrelevant, it was in velvet so he's done his job already probably. Yes, it mey have been a great head when hard antler but it's still a great head. If hard antler your boy's hunting life might be all downhill from the moment of taking this animal. Be fken proud of what he achieved and hope that he achieves greater things. That head may be better than what most hunters achieve in a life-time of hunting, but fuck it thats how the dice roll. Be poud of yourself and your boy, don't second guess yourself !
Yep hopefully that is the moment that hooks him for life. Hell he will have plenty of time to think about ethics !!
Good on ya young fella [emoji106]
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Any one complaining can also get off the proverbial and hunt as well. It is a ripper trophy. That lad is on the podium. Core values will last him a lifetime. Real hunting.
@TeRai. This.. 'Core values will last him a lifetime'. So many people don't grasp this concept or aren't taught them these days.
What a wonderful experience for the lad. Go you Dad!
That stag has had a few years of shagging. Just because he has been shot doesn't mean his genetics have been extinguished.
Nothing has been lost and a lot of pleasure has been gained.
