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I know theres a few of you out there that have taken deer with the 'ol soviet M43.
Aside from the obvious statements that correct bullet choice and shot placement are important (edit, and maximum range ;))... What opinions have you formed based on those experiences...not opinions based on conjecture and heresy. I have to say that because opinions can be like sandflies around here sometimes! :D
150yards maximum.....
under 50 better still.
I knew someone was gonna say it... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Kill well up close,I never stretched the legs on my mini 30 but it would shoot 1.5in group @ 100m with hornady ammo
I opiniioned it killed really well and didnt make hell of a lot of mess.nice short light rifle with next to no recoil suppressed.hell of a lot of fun with subs for plinking and bunnies and more than enough for deer and pigs at close range..our big wallabies really do not like it at all.
The short & light rifle, with minimal recoil has got me interested. As long as it quantifies with reasonable deer killing ability, I am looking out for one. The cz 527 catches my eyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
The reason the .223 On Deer thread is so good is that it is packed full of evidence. That thread gets attention from overseas, particularly the USA, because the “is the .223 enough?” subject is constantly being debated there too. Rokslide being a good example. Very few .223/deer threads around the world (if any) have so much demonstrable experience as ours, in the form of autopsy photos, recovered bullet photos, ballistic comparisons etc etc. It really is an outstanding example of proving a point through demonstrable experience.
Obviously our conditions, laws and lack of tags / seasons etc mean that we get to shoot a lot more deer than the average yank. There’s a decent population of people on here that have shared excellent experience to clearly demonstrate what that particular round is capable of with the right projectiles.
So this is what I would like this thread to look like, though I’m sure it will be a miniature version simply because of the relative scarcity of 7.62x39 shooters. If you’ve got pictures of deer kills with this cartridge somewhere, resist the temptation to post waffle until you find the pictures and post them instead! Preferably with the rifle, end of description of the load, range etc.
Someone lend this man a 7.62x39 rifle!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
That is what I am hoping to see!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
Ok I don't have photos but...
My rifle is a JW-103 (Norinco 'Bisley Arms' assembled by foot not hand thing, awful fit and finish and had real issues getting the scope on straight because the screw holes aren't straight in the action). It's ugly, barrel looks like the inside of a poo pipe and the original stock bedding was terrible leading to 3" groups - I've bedded it with good old Devcon and it's a solid 1.5" performer now. Taken many goats, smaller deer etc and not had a problem at all. Most have been chest/hilar placement with the odd close range head and shoulder breaker - all 'point blank' hold crosshairs on and bang jobs, ranges up to around 100m as it's a bush gun (nothing flash and it can't any worse from anything I can do to it haha). I haven't recovered any bullets - all pass straight throughs but cannot fault the terminal performance.
Brought a couple of hundy Highland sporting rounds when I got the thing and still working through those, flat base lead tip projectile of 125gr I think? Reloadable cases but I haven't had to start yet. And to be fair, ammo is cheap enough that it's probably not worth it.
Sorry no photos from me
I have a CZ527 in 7.62x39 cut down to 15" and suppressed (my bush gun) that I got into reloading for as I ran out of sst steel cased ammo. I'd definitely recommend the 3 round mag mod as the front edge of the mag is the balance point on my rifle. Makes carrying the rifle so much nicer. https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....ication-78056/ for a look at the 5rnd vs 3rnd mag
It loves the sst projectile and I tried just about every flavor of ammo I could find in my search for something other than PPU. Hornady black is expensive, provided the projectile and grouped accurately but it was out of stock for a long time.
My problem with PPU was I shot a red stag at 120 yards, it hit very high on the front shoulder but the projectile needled straight through both shoulder blades, leaving a tiny hole on exit. The deer went down and I was lucky enough to have a follow up shot ready to go to end it.
I've shot plenty of goats with this rifle from 10 yards to 200 yards and had very good success. 150 would be my max for reds, lighter bodied deer I'd be comfortable stretching its legs
my current load is:
Lapua brass
CFE Black 30gn
123gn SST
fiocchi LR primer
2510 fps
mag length would allow 59mm OAL but I'm crimping the projectile in at 55.3mm OAL
@No. 3
So u got an original ak47 or a Chinese copy?
;)
This calibre killed more people under 150m than any other. 22lr comes close in the states during the mob wars
Nah neither, it's a bolt action Norinco special (I think this was actually a Chinese design that they only used elements of several other designs in). The designation is JW-103, the JW-105 is the version in .223Rem. The AK-47's are only held in collections now and must be stored disabled with a major part removed, the semi auto versions were confiscated after the Chch terrorist attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharki
the zombie max pills are the same as the SST if you can find themAttachment 247322 there you go Sharki...fitted with gunworks spartan and the 3 shot shortened magazine...had just shot yearling red at 40ish yards. one of three we got within same clearing over two years,son got big red hind not far away either....took 4-5 pigs with it
now in hands of another forum member
I shot a Sika yearling with an SKS, before phones had decent cameras, so no photos. A clean in and out hole through the lungs, and a neck shot to finish it off. Barnaul 125gr soft point.
Odd, as a few years later, I shot up a Gisborne pine block goat culling. Identical load out of an AK, same distances as the deer more or less, some alot longer, but it tore them to bits.
I had a Howa Mini with 16 inch barrel and DPT - short, light, low recoil; and great for goats, whitetail, and fallow out to 150m (and a sh.tload of wallabies).
Never shot it against reds, but did drop a couple of close nanny Tahr.
Have a Howa Mini chopped to 16” with a hardie can and a red dot on top 123 gn ppu soft points at 2350fps crono’d tips over goats no problem but haven’t got on to a deer with it yet. I feel it should be ok to 100 allowing for the limits of the red dot. Only 2.9kg sweet little bush gun and very quiet.
Get 90% or max speed with a 13" barrel so my norinco is cut to 13" with a hardy compact and 15mm cut off at the butt end as well its a nimble wee rifle l, good bail gun and is fine on deer good 200yrd rifle, shoots good enough to be pushed to 300 with sst projectiles
I've had a Zastava in 7.62x39 for about 6 months. It's killed three goats and one pig all within a 50m range which is my usual shooting distance.
I have a Nikko 1-4x24 scope on top which is nice and compact for the bush. The reticle is a bit chunky for precise shooting but that's not what I got it for.
20" barrel.
I've fired Barnaul SP, No Brand FMJ and PPU SP cartridges and there's no real difference in precision or accuracy there. Blokes at the range say the Chinese ammunition is as good as anything else.
Low noise and recoil and that's without a can.
Lightweight in my book but after a few shots the barrel must bend a bit and the point of impact shifts, which makes sighting in a problem.
I'll get the barrel shortened and threaded for a can sooner or later.
Some say the cartridge is very similar to 30/30 Winchester.
How have you found the nikko stirling 1-4 scope? Is that one of the diamond illuminated ones? Was considering getting one for my bush set upQuote:
Originally Posted by Waitati Hunter
Yes it's the illuminated kind. So far so good, though I have yet to use it with the light on. Now I know what the light's actually for it sounds quite handy. One thing to note is one click shifts things 1/2" at 100 yards instead of the usual 1/4".
It's NOT that close to 30/30 as the old gal throws heavier pills at same speed. It's a great wee round,they both are but you can push 30/30 harder and it's more suited(on paper at least) for larger animal.
Got a 10 point Red a year or so ago at about 200 meters using Hornady SST factory ammo. Thought I was pushing it a bit at that distance but just aimed at the heart area, hit it and it trotted about 20 meters and fell over. Shot a few Deer and pigs with my Mini 30, SKS`s and even a Red Hind with my AK-47 and Steel core ammo ( Back when we could have them and cause it was what I had in my hand at the time). Would suggest to try and keep shots under 150 meters. Have fired one shot at a Red 7 Pointer with a 223 at a bit over 100 meters, he trotted about 30 meters and fell over.
I did shoot a Billy once at out over 300 meters with a SKS and open sights, that was luck on my part and bad luck on his. 7.62x39 reasonable bush gun just don't over push the distance.
Splitting hairs with that argument MickyQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
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222-223
260rem- 6.5creedmore-6.5x55
but yeah if reload bit bigger difference but MOST factory x39mm is 123grn most 30/30 is 150 or 160grn
love them both have shot lots of stuff with both,I often ponder the fact that if I hadnt swapped the 30/30 all those years ago I could still have shot a good 80% of the animals I have done with much bigger,flatter shooting rifles just as dead,just as easy.
its generaldata according to american literature ive presently got is akin to british .303. both are cited as being 200m rounds beyond which holdover is literally in feet!some variation in round speed ,accordin g to which bullet weright used also.of interest of coursae is 7.62x39 is .311 size as opposed to .308. Ive got both .303 and 7.62 x39 -difference in recoil is marked. sahot s hare once with .303 -composted it over two grid squares with a 180gn softnose round noce cricket ball.hehe.good for gewtting deadpossums(who dont know theyre dead!!!) outta trees when used as a chainsaw to sever the branch el jacko is clinging to!!!
My go to x39 is this Howa Mini with Gunworks can & Zeiss 3-9 variable. I've shot quite a few reds; both Hinds & stag & plenty of goats with it as well. It carries light & well balanced with accuracy with my handloads as exceptional for the caliber....2.5inch& 100yds.
Because my eyesight isn't as good as it once was due to my 70 odd years I try to keep the shots within 150yds for deer & about 200 for goats. I generally use just the Chinese non corrosive 123gnsp's as they're easy to come by & pack as much punch as I need while accuracy is good enough to knock them over ok.
In the photo you'll possibly notice that the suppressor is slightly discoloured due to a 3 /5 rnds mag dump on some goats a few years ago... As you can imagine, the barrel was very hot & the blueing/paint on the can got cooked off......Got the goats though & the meat was delicious.
Cheers, Phil.
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Started out with a Norinco Mod 103 & that polished off plenty of goats as well, along with a couple of reds....also using the old Norinco ammo
Mate shot a big red spiker with mine and cheap ammo at 240 yards in the crease a couple nights ago went 15m and fell over backwards job done, aimed for the backbone and hit perfectAttachment 248564Attachment 248564Quote:
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Excellent.Quote:
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Phil.
Ive got a 30 30 that bites your hand if you want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Does anyone use the softpoint chinese rounds from guncity?
we stopped using them after found single round where the case had an extra bit on it that had been folded back inside the case neck..decided the pressure of thatcoming out as projectile left,would have been horrific so that was the end of that.
I've got about 1500 softpoint Barnaul if anyone's interested?
What sort of price?
Ruger american with Chinese ammo .. 370m on the run, 1 shot fallow down..... other fallow was about 260m on the run and dropped it also, then a boar at 200m on the run and that dropped dead too. All with cheap Chinese ammo. Works for me with shooting roos and popping off game when it appears
