Alpine Hunting - Safety Tip

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I was just looking at the How To: post by 7mmsaum. Thanks for the post. All those articles will make for great reading over the next few months !

However, I saw this photo on the nzoutdoor web site home page and knowing that you are in the middle of winter, I thought I would throw out a safety tip. My ratio of alpine trips to hunting trips is about 100:1

The picture shows a person on relatively steep terrain that is covered in white stuff - presumably some form of snow, ice, neve or whatever.

The person has their uphill hand on that white stuff and appears to be holding an ice-axe in their downhill hand.

This is back arsewards or arse backwards however you look at it.

Always hold your ice-axe or trekking pole in your uphill hand

Be safe out there this winter and do not be afraid to correct your mate if you see this type of mistake. A slip would ruin the day for both of you.

+1 KS, im a mountaineer, real hard to 'arrest' your fall when you have your ice axe on the 'downhill side'...........recipe for disaster!!!!!....great tip!

Well spotted - at least its on a tether, that's another trap for young players, lots of ice axes lie at the bottoms of gullies that were snow filled in winter, having slid there when their owner perished (hopefully not) cause he/she couldn't hold onto the axe in the arrest and never got a second go . . . .

can I ask why the uphill side is the go?

My guess would be that you arrest with the pick on the up hill side. Dig it in below you and you will try to go over or round it and not be so effective and also allow you to gain more speed as you try to correct the situation.

Thanks for the heads up if I get into this.

makes sense when you put it like that. im yet to use a ice axe on my thar expeditions

could you wiser mountaineers reccomend a decent one?

You can often hire axes and most people that do a bit of snow travel will have a few in their collection. Do a course or go along with someone experienced and borrow their gear first, they can teach you how to self arrest with and without an axe.

It's really fun :)

ill only be flying in and out of the south island these days, no time for a cource, I typically avoid the snowy hillfaces that look avalanchy
youtube will have to be my teacher this time

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Originally Posted by Bill999

could you wiser mountaineers reccomend a decent one?

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I have an assortment of Black Diamond gear and like it. My lightweight walking axe is a Raven Pro, at 380g its light enough to take on the trips when you aren't sure if its worth taking one or not. As with guns, see what feels good in your hand.

Best value you're likely to find (and good quality too) is i climb .co.nz :: Mountaineering gear at wholesale prices

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Originally Posted by gadgetman

My guess would be that you arrest with the pick on the up hill side. Dig it in below you and you will try to go over or round it and not be so effective and also allow you to gain more speed as you try to correct the situation.

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Yup, thats pretty much it - most common slip is your feet sliding out from under you so if your axe is on uphill side you are in the right position to put your weight over it and self-arrest, or often stop yourself before you even start sliding. On the downhill side you have to roll over/spin around first (use the axe as a pivot point to spin) which takes time and lets you gain speed.

I recommend having a practice session on a slope with a safe run-out before hitting steep terrain - practice falling and self-arresting from every angle you can think of (feet first, head first, upside down, sideways...) so you know what to do if it happens accidentally later. Sometimes in soft snow you can get better braking force from the adze rather than the pick, takes confidence to pull it out and turn it round while you're sliding down the hill though...

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Originally Posted by Bill999

makes sense when you put it like that. im yet to use a ice axe on my thar expeditions

could you wiser mountaineers reccomend a decent one?

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As GB has stated, just hire/buy a 'general m'taineering axe', when your holding it like a walking stick your arm should be straight and the 'spike' just touching the floor, get a 'leash'....you will own it longer!!!!!!

learn how to 'self arrest' from preferably a mountaineer, otherwise 'you tube'....you have it on 'the hill side' so when you lose your footing/slip you just fall onto it without having to twist your body because its on the other side!!!!

above all, be bloody careful up there!!!!!

Ok then where can you hire from?

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Originally Posted by Bill999

Ok then where can you hire from?

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A lot of outdoor shops in mountainous SI tourist areas (Dunedin, Qtown, Wanaka, Mt Cook etc) hire them out, often tramping clubs have a collection which they hire out cheap to members (or friends of members) too.

In Chch R&R Sport used to hire, not sure about now sorry. What area do you live in? Also if Youtube doesn't smoke your tires, there is actually a couple pages in the MSCM (Bushcraft) that give you a few tips :) Chapter 17 in the older MSCM31

I live in the far north of the north island

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Originally Posted by Bill999

I live in the far north of the north island

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:yaeh am not durnk: Probably unlikely to find one to hire until you get close to the snowy place you plan to go then!

Too right mate but when I get down there ill have no wheels and ill be wanting to be dropped in as soon as possible

Flying into chch? Hopefully a forum member can help out and lend you one!

+1 on the practice in easier conditions suggestion. I had one wrapoed around my ankle on one trip when the guy behind me fell and panic set in. Was and interesting arrest...
+ another on the leash, saw a guy slip and missed the arrest amd lost his axe. Luckily there was a good run out but the ice is dam abrasive and wore through his pants and took the skin off one side of his leg cutting the trip.short (looks as though maybe i go out with the wrong people....)

Hey Bill, is this a 'one off' trip? buy a cheap 'pre loved' one off TM, and then sell it when you get back! buy a straight shaft axe, the curved/bent ones are for 'ice climbing' and technical shit, you dont want to go there mate!!!!!!!

if you hire one, you will be charge from the day you leave the shop till you return it....it will turn out cheaper to do the above!

cheers mate itl be a one off trip every year hopefully

Iv hunted plenty of times with out them but i really want to up my safety aspect