Thread: Blaze or no Blaze

mrmax I have to agree,the photo you talking about in certain light eg as published in paper looked more cream than blaze.

Originally Posted by mrmax

That is a mistake, Cam McDonald did NOT have a Hi Vis Orange beanie on , look at the picture 2 hours before he was shot . You have NO standards for what is Hi Vis in NZ for hunters ! What he had on would NOT pass any test in the US as a High Vis piece of clothing , I'll guarantee that.

If you were referring to my post, I was not talking about Cam McDonald.
"Regulation" hi-vis or not, there is more to hunter shootings than what colour people wear. It is education, not legislation that will make the difference.

Originally Posted by 40mm

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If they can't see you they can't shoot you.

Then there's poor buggers like me who can not see flouro. Hi vis really it's just orange or green, given a few road workers a fright, they just don't stand out! Same with yellow flouro pens, can't see them on paper! Now who wants to come hunting with me?

Originally Posted by Maca49

Then there's poor buggers like me who can not see flouro. Hi vis really it's just orange or green, given a few road workers a fright, they just don't stand out! Same with yellow flouro pens, can't see them on paper! Now who wants to come hunting with me?

Your not the only one with weird eyes, I couldn't tell the difference between green and blue marker paint on cows under fluorescent lights in the milking shed. Didn't noticed the problem until I had to draft out the blue ones from the herds one morning, only when I walked outside noticed that something is WTF. After the mixup haven't been asked to draft stuff again

Originally Posted by Maca49

Then there's poor buggers like me who can not see flouro. Hi vis really it's just orange or green, given a few road workers a fright, they just don't stand out! Same with yellow flouro pens, can't see them on paper! Now who wants to come hunting with me?

Your not the only one with weird eyes, I couldn't tell the difference between green and blue marker paint on cows under fluorescent lights in the milking shed. Didn't noticed the problem until I had to draft out the blue ones from the herds one morning, only when I walked outside noticed that something is WTF. After the mixup haven't been asked to draft stuff again

Originally Posted by Shearer

If they can't see you they can't shoot you.

Not true. They might not be able to intentionally shoot you, but blending into the background means you become just that, and may accidentally cop it because someone didn’t know you were there.

Ahh and how many times in shooting fatalities , ahh I saw it move and it looked like a deer. The comment from the individual that shot Cam McDonald was I saw the eyes and it looked like a deer . Cam had Camo clothing on which did not have contrast to the surrounding environment. Now while we are continuing to discuss that beanie he had on and there are those that contend it was Hi Vis , PLEASE prove me wrong by showing me the legal definition ; not camp fire talk ; that defines what Hi Vis is and the amount to be worn by hunters in New Zealand, I'll save you the trouble there is NO defined wavelength nor materiel reflect ability of the base material , NOR any restrictions on mottled or semi camo with real Hi Vis as permitted in Australia and NOT permitted in the USA . Clear and simple Technical point there is NO legally defined Hi Vis clothing in NZ. So when you make any statement that he was wearing Hi Vis , your back to Camp Fire talk , there is NO legal defining qualification for that. Even the Mountain Safety firearms course only uses the term, "BRIGHT COLORED CLOTHING" , I know as I taught it. Now I'll add this how many THOUSANDS of hunters were NEVER told about Hi Vis and were only told "BRIGHT COLORED CLOTHING" because you only took that firearms test ONCE in your life time so none of the older instructed Licensed Firearms holder have had any Instruction on HI Viz , it was Not part of the course. And speaking of the MSC course when instructing 99.9 % of those taking the course never put a finger on the guns in the class room , that was the same as it was in 1973 in Colorado when getting a Hunters License to take a firearm into the field. Colorado learned from their mistakes and now has a full day course with hands on instruction and live firing , their safety record is greatly improved, nothing has changed in the last 50 Years in NZ we still shoot other hunters and refuse to require Hi Vis Orange, should see what Einstein said about that ! This fails in comparison to any country that has a legal definition for what Hi Vis in hunting conditions is. NZ is 50+ years behind that curve because of those that speak in terms "well" , "I guess" , and "I recon" , not in statements that this "research paper published in this scientific journal makes the proven FACT ". Please while we're on that issue show me where anyone came up with Sky Blue as a safety color for Hi Viz , its insane , it a color which is recommended NOT to be used . I'll add one more issue , I've never heard of nor seen a deer shoot a hunter .

Ahh PLEASE quite miss representing the facts most hunters are shot wearing camo . Including the guy that his buddy shot with a 270 right across his back I saw the pictures and he admitted that wearing his camo was a contributing factor to being shot . PLEASE pull the files and pictures of those shot and show me a single hunter in NZ that has been sot with HI Vis clothing that would pass US hunting requirements , I'll save you the effort that number is ZERO . And the famous Bike rider that was shot and killed by his buddy near Rotarua , yep camo. Just like McDonald's shooter "I only saw the eyes" .

PLEASE READ THIS , Hunters warned over bright gear - NZ Herald

You said ORANGE hat thats not a statement that it was Hi Vis. would you please try my Hi Vis ORANGE HAT ? FOR REAL . See the previous note and see that Hi Vis hat and read the article that says your wrong ... just sayin .. Hunters warned over bright gear - NZ Herald

The problem with legislating the compulsory use of Hi-vis is this.
If a hunter is in the bush and sees "something" they think..

"Is it Hi-vis orange?"
"No"
"All hunters MUST wear hi-vis orange"
"Therefore it cannot be a hunter"

This sort of mind set is dangerous as it removes the vital process of "IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET BEYOND ALL DOUBT". You start looking for what something ISN'T, not what it IS.
Trampers, climbers, mountain bikers, bird watchers, all outdoors people use the bush we hunt in. Should they have to wear Hi-vis as well??

IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET!!!!!!! regardless of it's colour. It's not rocket science.

Originally Posted by mrmax

read the article that says your wrong

Classic !

Originally Posted by mrmax

Ahh PLEASE quite miss representing the facts most hunters are shot wearing camo . Including the guy that his buddy shot with a 270 right across his back I saw the pictures and he admitted that wearing his camo was a contributing factor to being shot . PLEASE pull the files and pictures of those shot and show me a single hunter in NZ that has been sot with HI Vis clothing that would pass US hunting requirements , I'll save you the effort that number is ZERO . And the famous Bike rider that was shot and killed by his buddy near Rotarua , yep camo. Just like McDonald's shooter "I only saw the eyes" .

What is the US hunting requirements on HI-Vis clothing? @mrmax