Bloody DoC (Maybe)

Took a couple of folks who are looking at getting into hunting out for an overnighter by inangahua, last time i was out there about three months ago there were decent numers of deer, pigs and a few mobs of about 10 goats I saw. i figured we'd have a decent chance of gettig an animal for them.

well I don't know who'd been through but over the course of about 2 hours walk in I counted 7 goats and 2 deer shot and left by the side of the track. no meat taken, nothing taken off the goats to indicate it was part of the competition thats running at the moment, just animals rotting beside the track.

all it would have taken was dragging them about 2-3m and they could have been rolled down a bank and off the track but no, literally on the side of the trail.

I assume it was DoC because I can't think who else would leave all that meat there and it really pisses me off because you know hunters are going to be blamed for leaving stinking, rotting animals lying around.

of course if it was a hunter they deserve to have their bloody firearms licence pulled, the sheer wastage just makes me furious.

I got blamed for a trip into waipakihi, when we flew in there was rotten carcass from a party prior within a couple days just tossed over the bank by the hut.. and it stunk. everything we shot was in the meat safe, then when we were leaving any carcasses were takenb about an extra 150 from the meatsafe ( about 500m from the hut ) and thrown into the dense bush/bank. about a week after coming out, I got an email from helisika saying there were complaints about animal carcass by the hut. I told them they were there when we arrived but they didnt seem to care and continued to blame it on me.

1. If it were doc/contract hunters, they wouldn’t shoot from track
2. If it were doc/contract hunters, they would move carcasses that are close to tracks
3. Due to numbers of animals these days shooting and leaving is happening, a lot. It’s the best way to lower numbers fast there’s going to be a lot more of it happening in future

Some people will do anything to paint hunters in a bad light, sometimes even warranted.

I agree that they shouldn't be left by the track, but as far as shooting animals and not taking any meat off them I really couldn't care less.

When you see the state of some of our forest parks then I would say it should happen more. I shoot hundreds of goats on public land and never take any meat off them and I still sleep well.

I certainly don't think it should be a firearms offense, the police have more important things to do.

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Yeah, Maybe I didn't explain myself well.

shooting and leaving an animal, goats especially, isn't a bad thing, but the sheer laziness of where they were left is what's winding me up. if you've got the physical fitness to walk 5-6km past the end of the road you've got the fitness to clean up your own mess.
I had to make a point to the people I brought in that it wasn't an acceptable practice.

There’s a few out there that lack some basic hunter etiquette. Found this carcass in the Purakanui Falls block during the last roar allocation. Left out in the open where it was shot. The hunter before me obviously couldn’t be bothered dragging it downhill a few meters into the scrub. It was a heaving mess that I smelt thirty metres away. And don’t get me started on the a-hole that was roaring up the block the last two out of only six days allocated. Felt like I had crosshairs on my back the whole time!!! First and last time I’ll be hunting the roar around here.

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I don’t care how many deer there are, if I shoot an animal there’s no way I’m not taking any meat off it. Just the way I’ve been brought up I guess. Respect the animal

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Originally Posted by Sidetrack

There’s a few out there that lack some basic hunter etiquette. Found this carcass in the Purakanui Falls block during the last roar allocation. Left out in the open where it was shot. The hunter before me obviously couldn’t be bothered dragging it downhill a few meters into the scrub. It was a heaving mess that I smelt thirty metres away. And don’t get me started on the a-hole that was roaring up the block the last two out of only six days allocated. Felt like I had crosshairs on my back the whole time!!! First and last time I’ll be hunting the roar around here.

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roaring up the block - yup my pet hate to - idjits - mate and I did a trip into Mangatiti -a party came down main ridge opposite us about a kilometre away - roared continuosly every 10 mins middle of day - no f@%&!n idea - what the hell they thought they were doing - they would have heard us shooting animals early morning and evening so we did not run into them - they are lucky as they would have had their pedigrees recited -

If there is carcases left on or near a public walking track or hut, it only needs the next vegan fitness freak weekend warrior to tramp past and stir up a load of media about dead animals etc....

I wouldn't just assume it was DoC. Most likely a Muppet who has decided to leave them on the side of the track. As said above DoC or contract shooters will be required to remove any carcasses away from tracks. I would be proactive and report it to your local office. If it was in fact their own shooters then they will be talked to.
As to @Bush Basher people are all different. If someone doesn't take all or any meat it doesn't mean that hunter has shown less respect to that animal than someone who has taken all the meat.

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Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

roaring up the block - yup my pet hate to - idjits - mate and I did a trip into Mangatiti -a party came down main ridge opposite us about a kilometre away - roared continuosly every 10 mins middle of day - no f@%&!n idea - what the hell they thought they were doing - they would have heard us shooting animals early morning and evening so we did not run into them - they are lucky as they would have had their pedigrees recited -

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roaring like an idiot will sometimes get one going when they are otherwise quiet.Ive often seen advice given in magazines etc to roar regularly if things are quiet.who cares what others techniques are-public land ya gotta take it in the chin.

JMO, As a hunting community, We should all be careful with the value we place on being able to hunt for free range venison at will, without fees. Dispite the bush needing some breathing space in certian places, not all areas are inandated with deer, alot have none. Leaving un- utilised full deer carcasses i think sends the wrong message. And as soon as the value is perseived to be gone, so will the deer, with full time cullers and 1% tax to gst to pay for their complete removal.

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Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

roaring up the block - yup my pet hate to - idjits - mate and I did a trip into Mangatiti -a party came down main ridge opposite us about a kilometre away - roared continuosly every 10 mins middle of day - no f@%&!n idea - what the hell they thought they were doing - they would have heard us shooting animals early morning and evening so we did not run into them - they are lucky as they would have had their pedigrees recited -

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I've obviously got 'no f@%&!n idea' then as I roar all day long from the minute I leave the carpark or camp..

no bite I am not going to dignify that with an argument some learn hunting the hard way

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Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish

well I don't know who'd been through but over the course of about 2 hours walk in I counted 7 goats and 2 deer shot and left by the side of the track.

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So the shooter had walked for 2 hours and killed 9 animals, that's one every 13 minutes! Sounds like high numbers in that area.

I've taken some time off work over the last month and done a heap of day trips in Golden Bay and Westhaven Inlet. Seen an abundance of deer,pig,goat sign, from the tidal flats to the high ridges.
So much country, so few hunters. Easy deer on the farm boundaries for recreational hunters. No funding for DoC hunters unless the area has unique conservation values.

I seldom take meat from animals shot on control work. I don't think the animal cares either way.

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Originally Posted by Yesmate

roaring like an idiot will sometimes get one going when they are otherwise quiet.Ive often seen advice given in magazines etc to roar regularly if things are quiet.who cares what others techniques are-public land ya gotta take it in the chin.

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I should have added that the blocks are small and are permitted for single hunter only. Anybody else on the block is poaching and a hazard to my health. They get a lot of pressure and more often than not the deer are just transient. Not particularly productive but a great training ground for honing one’s bush hunting skills.
The stag I was chasing was only giving out the odd moan every 15-20 minutes or so. If you made a sound, he would shutdown completely so not impressed when some ass-hat starts up just outside the block boundary while I’m waiting in the dark on the bush edge trying to pinpoint where this animal is.

and thats the problem -many hunters in the roar dont realise that excessive roaring will simply shut stags up -especially mid day - to just walk around roaring constantly just shuts up more deer that it will start - a few early morning or evening if nothing going fine - but fine even hot mid day as it has been no

And I've had plenty of stags start up to a roar during the day. So if there's no action and I would like some, I'm going to roar during the day.
If the guy in the next gully (who I quite likely won't even realise is there) doesn't like my hunting style, then bad luck.

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Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

and thats the problem -many hunters in the roar dont realise that excessive roaring will simply shut stags up -especially mid day - to just walk around roaring constantly just shuts up more deer that it will start - a few early morning or evening if nothing going fine - but fine even hot mid day as it has been no

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Totally agree, the odd young lone one might give a reply but 90% of the time you are right.But everything is worth a try when learning on the hill.

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Originally Posted by Sidetrack

I should have added that the blocks are small and are permitted for single hunter only. Anybody else on the block is poaching and a hazard to my health. They get a lot of pressure and more often than not the deer are just transient. Not particularly productive but a great training ground for honing one’s bush hunting skills.
The stag I was chasing was only giving out the odd moan every 15-20 minutes or so. If you made a sound, he would shutdown completely so not impressed when some ass-hat starts up just outside the block boundary while I’m waiting in the dark on the bush edge trying to pinpoint where this animal is.

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Are you sure it was another hunter ? There are farm stags on the north boundary.

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Originally Posted by Huntn

I've obviously got 'no f@%&!n idea' then as I roar all day long from the minute I leave the carpark or camp..

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Ha ha ha...yep, maybe.

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Originally Posted by CATLINS HUNTER

Are you sure it was another hunter ? There are farm stags on the north boundary.

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Not on the northeast corner. Only sheep and beef. On the second last day (Saturday) when I first heard it I wasn’t sure but I had my suspicions. Obvious as hell it was man made coming from the farm boundary on the last day. Such is life but it put the heebies up me. I tracked the stag down off the ridge but was rushing it. Bumped him but couldn’t get a clean shot at less than 20m. As many an experienced bush hunter has said on this forum, if you think you’re going slow, slow down some more!! Struggling to kick an age old habit of covering big country but getting better. It’s not called hunting for nothing:D