Thread: Calling Micky Duck and Tahr and Gimp and Tikka

https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/envir...ng-impact-deer

Everyone blaming everyone else, I’d like to see F&B stump up some of their own money and pay some pest controllers to look after “their blocks” as She put it.

Unbelievable that a fatmer wluld encourage blackberry and gorse "to keep deer out", while proclaiming to be green!
Credibility of this article is zero.

yes - but there is some merit in leaving gorse - I have in a previous life done a lot of restoration projects - we left gorse and other cover and simply made small clearings for natives - the gorse provided much needed cover for young natives - a nursery crop- but Woody you are right -lot of emotive clap trap with article - gorse wont deter deer much if they are hungry - people just need to start shooting bloody simple really

Originally Posted by Woody

Unbelievable that a fatmer wluld encourage blackberry and gorse "to keep deer out", while proclaiming to be green!
Credibility of this article is zero.

Whats not credible about it? Pretty much telling it how it is from different perspectives. They are legitimate views.

Gorse is an acknowledged nursery plant for natives so I can understand that thinking too (later: I see that was said above by Barry as well).

Gorse is a very long term nurse crop, and really should be relegated to large remote locations that people desire to return to native (or any other tree that takes their fancy). Small pockets of gorse simply spread out onto farmland and once there are extremely difficult to get rid of.
There are numerous other nurse crops that will benefit returning natives, that can also have an end value. Unlike gorse.

I think we just used the idea that if gorse was already there then use it but I see your point next to farmland - one thing I did note with the article was the point that many neighbors like to see deer - thats always a hard one with any animal control - bloody hopeless when you look over fence when doing goat control and there's 100 in the neighbors -

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

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when you look over fence when doing goat control and there's 100 in the neighbors -

Breeding stock = continuality of work.

No deer shot during the research for the article, place must be overrun

Originally Posted by Puddleduk

No deer shot during the research for the article, place must be overrun

Might be the clothing of choice.

Originally Posted by XR500

Gorse is a very long term nurse crop, and really should be relegated to large remote locations that people desire to return to native (or any other tree that takes their fancy). Small pockets of gorse simply spread out onto farmland and once there are extremely difficult to get rid of.
There are numerous other nurse crops that will benefit returning natives, that can also have an end value. Unlike gorse.

Yes. Ive used tree lucerne as an early cover crop - attracts birds immediately. But deer would slaughter it 'cos it's quite a good forage tree.

Can't agree @Tahr. I've spent hundreds of hours working gorse and blackberry infested forests. Both spp are a menace along with budlea and himilayan honeysuckle. If hunters were welcomed into those private

farms the problem would not develope. The article is poor. The NZ government tried to justify the ongoing manufacture and sale of 24D and 245T in the face of
international bans and health concerns -
using the excuse that these chemical were
essential for the NZ land developement
and maintainance of pasture and the
agricultural industry in NZ. We all know
the aftermath decades on, today.

Read it right through.it does have some valid points and hints at the solutions.emotions put aside and educating ALL the public is a start.the doc controlled land being blamed as a nursery it a bit rich for my liking as in my experience it works just as much the other way around. I often hunt in public land and watch deer just over boundary on private land which actively discourages ANY hunting. The helicopter is an incredible control tool.thermal gear is too.the ability to shoot deer at 500 + yards/ meters is another huge step to humans advantage Vs the way it was before. I did chuckle/ frown and fella saying he " saw ears n took a shot,in one breath,then complained deer were educated in the next.

Try and get access to Te Miro.

I had a block probably 8-10 years ago, and the neighbours made it very much their business what you were doing - I guess attitudes have changed since then.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

Try and get access to Te Miro.

I had a block probably 8-10 years ago, and the neighbours made it very much their business what you were doing - I guess attitudes have changed since then.

Yes in that regard the article was very selective. It's difficult to say the least to get access to the private land up there. As it is in many places, And Id love federated farmers to put together a list of landowners who will open their properties too hunters. Which they will not do. And so the side we are not hearing from, is the landowners who like having the deer on their properties for whatever reason including hunting for family and friends.
However as much as we all should agree that their view is as relevant as those presented in the article. what most landowners don't do, is provide proper management of the animals on their land.
Also from reading that, I would suggest that the majority of those interviewed were contacted through forest and bird, and it was telling that though stories of deer were told, none were able to be shot to provide evidence of the numbers.

Regardless of that, It is a valid issue we will be facing sooner than later.