Choppers shooting during roar peroid.

@38 South sorry i was a kid at the time it happened so with out ringing my father to refresh my memory.
All i will add is 20 years ago i got to this farmer you call a nutter and he was a real nice guy with all the dealings i had with him over the years.

WARO helicopter was shot at in Kaikoura early 2000's. Culprit was never seen which was pretty lucky for him I'd say.

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Originally Posted by bigbear

@38 South sorry i was a kid at the time it happened so with out ringing my father to refresh my memory.
All i will add is 20 years ago i got to this farmer you call a nutter and he was a real nice guy with all the dealings i had with him over the years.

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No problem, I just happened to be quite aware of the facts, as far as the farmer is concerned he was known to have a fairly short fuse but that doesn't mean to say that he didn't have other facets to his character.

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Originally Posted by gilly

I agree. Anyone that points a rifle at a chopper is an idiot no matter what the perceived provocation. Aside from the obvious, physical retribution from shooters and pilots in the past has been swift and somewhat violent. And I don’t blame them.

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I would pay to line up these tough bastard pilots and shooters that fuck over ground hunters and go through the bloody lot one at a time. Guess where the shooters gonna get his gat. And I bloody do blame them.

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Originally Posted by Huntfisheat

Had it happen up the MacAuley. Spent 3 1/2 hours climbing up to a mod to have a DOC chopper come in and let fly while I was 150m away from the mob they shot up.
Orange cap, orange back back. They saw me. How do I know? Because they landed later at the hut to fill in the hut book with their sightings. Confronted, the f wit told me that , if they called off an operation every time they saw a hunter, they's get no shooting done, which is bulls hit as they could have been in any of the farther valleys and shot mobs of 30 -50.
Arseholes.

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Funny you should mention the Macauley.

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

I would pay to line up these tough bastard pilots and shooters that fuck over ground hunters and go through the bloody lot one at a time. Guess where the shooters gonna get his gat. And I bloody do blame them.

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Hi Andy. Would you tolerate someone pointing a firearm at you at your place of work? What about on the street? Or if you were out hunting?! I’m sure you wouldn’t.

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Originally Posted by gilly

Hi Andy. Would you tolerate someone pointing a firearm at you at your place of work? What about on the street? Or if you were out hunting?! I’m sure you wouldn’t.

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No, I wouldn't, you are right, but - when they fly all over a hill shooting animals all around you and claim later to Civil Aviation they never saw you, how are you going to feel about it?, When a chopper flies over your head to knock over a stag at the top of the creek you are stalking him in, gets a couple, then flies back down the creek with them on the strop and stops off to dangle them over you cause it's amusing to him to do so before he flies off again, how are you going to feel? when they routinely poach without sanction?, I reckon 50 people on here will have an anti chopper memory, some worse than others. A bit like how I feel about the "team subway" lycra cyclists, negative contact with the scumbag end of it, colours my perception of the many who probably aren't. They have no right to bitch about or get all tough about ground hunters that get frustrated and do something dumb. The innocent/nonoffending pilot/door gunner/machine that gets anti attention from whatever capacity it comes in from a ground based hunter, is reaping the reward of the scumbag operators that have, for amusement or gain deliberately messed with ground hunters.

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

No, I wouldn't, you are right, but - when they fly all over a hill shooting animals all around you and claim later to Civil Aviation they never saw you, how are you going to feel about it?, When a chopper flies over your head to knock over a stag at the top of the creek you are stalking him in, gets a couple, then flies back down the creek with them on the strop and stops off to dangle them over you cause it's amusing to him to do so before he flies off again, how are you going to feel? when they routinely poach without sanction?, I reckon 50 people on here will have an anti chopper memory, some worse than others. A bit like how I feel about the "team subway" lycra cyclists, negative contact with the scumbag end of it, colours my perception of the many who probably aren't. They have no right to bitch about or get all tough about ground hunters that get frustrated and do something dumb. The innocent/nonoffending pilot/door gunner/machine that gets anti attention from whatever capacity it comes in from a ground based hunter, is reaping the reward of the scumbag operators that have, for amusement or gain deliberately messed with ground hunters.

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Good points mate. I can see your frustration. There are obviously plenty of dick heads who go out of their way to fuck of recreational hunters just cause they can.
Come up to the NI plenty of deer and no WARO!!

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Originally Posted by gilly

Good points mate. I can see your frustration. There are obviously plenty of dick heads who go out of their way to fuck of recreational hunters just cause they can.
Come up to the NI plenty of deer and no WARO!!

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You don't have WARO?!

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

You don't have WARO?!

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There might be a bit going on further North. But not around here. I could be wrong but haven’t heard of any.

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

No, I wouldn't, you are right, but - when they fly all over a hill shooting animals all around you and claim later to Civil Aviation they never saw you, how are you going to feel about it?, When a chopper flies over your head to knock over a stag at the top of the creek you are stalking him in, gets a couple, then flies back down the creek with them on the strop and stops off to dangle them over you cause it's amusing to him to do so before he flies off again, how are you going to feel? when they routinely poach without sanction?, I reckon 50 people on here will have an anti chopper memory, some worse than others. A bit like how I feel about the "team subway" lycra cyclists, negative contact with the scumbag end of it, colours my perception of the many who probably aren't. They have no right to bitch about or get all tough about ground hunters that get frustrated and do something dumb. The innocent/nonoffending pilot/door gunner/machine that gets anti attention from whatever capacity it comes in from a ground based hunter, is reaping the reward of the scumbag operators that have, for amusement or gain deliberately messed with ground hunters.

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Get a grip! You do not point a firearm at anything you are not willing to kill. Full stop.

"No right to get tough if ground hunters do something dumb"
It doesn't matter how frustrated their actions make you, that doesn't make it alright. Unless you're happy to live with knowing that you took someone's life, killed someone's son, brother, partner. If you can live with that then you deserve to rot away in a prison cell for the next 20 odd years. Think about what you're saying man.

I've had hunts buggered by machines, 5-6 hours hike into a remote spot only to have a machine roll through and pick off a few easy animals. It's not ideal but you either drop your lip and sulk like a spoilt brat or get on with it and realise that sadly dealing with WARO is part of the challenge of taking a public land trophy and that's just how it is right now. Embrace the challenge or find another hobby.

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Originally Posted by Hook_Grass

Get a grip! You do not point a firearm at anything you are not willing to kill. Full stop.

"No right to get tough if ground hunters do something dumb"
It doesn't matter how frustrated their actions make you, that doesn't make it alright. Unless you're happy to live with knowing that you took someone's life, killed someone's son, brother, partner. If you can live with that then you deserve to rot away in a prison cell for the next 20 odd years. Think about what you're saying man.

I've had hunts buggered by machines, 5-6 hours hike into a remote spot only to have a machine roll through and pick off a few easy animals. It's not ideal but you either drop your lip and sulk like a spoilt brat or get on with it and realise that sadly dealing with WARO is part of the challenge of taking a public land trophy and that's just how it is right now. Embrace the challenge or find another hobby.

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Comprehension not really your strong point is it.

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Originally Posted by DavidGunn

Whatever you do don't use your rifle scope to check out a helicopter, from up there it looks like you maybe going to take pot shots at it....retaliation could be awfully swift.

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Thats a no brainer. Should not under any circumstances be pointing a gun in a direction with people like that. Anyone who does that sort of thing will need a FAL suspension as far as I am concerned.

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Originally Posted by 38 South

True version: It was the shooter that ended up with most of a 308 bullet lodged very close to his spine not the pilot, yes in his butt, the helicopter flew from the scene of the shooting near Wharekopae to land at Moanui Valley, the farmer was a well known nutter who was arrested and charged, he was found guilty of reckless use of a firearm and fined about $300; a rather lenient censure for intentionally at shooting someone.

Shooting at helicopter hunting crews is not a good idea, AR15 or Benelli semi with buckshot out the door of an MD500 would be rather formidable opposition for anyone on the ground fumbling with a bolt action, no contest, forget it.

When you get shot at it's an unmistakeable sound, when hunters point their guns at you to get a closer look there is nothing except the premise of foolishness that separates your view of their intent from that of shooting at you.

No one has been shot by a shooter from a helicopter while carrying out WARO, however several helicopters have been shot and many more shot at, if the fire was coming in the other direction just ponder how many thousand hunters could be dead by now.

Health and safety considerations for hunters in areas where WARO is taking place, just give a friendly wave, they are just other hunters going about their day, and one day they could be of real value to you, just like countless other ground hunters your danger lies with your hunting mate.

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They called it machine gun alley. Running joke to beat the farmer.

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Originally Posted by gilly

There might be a bit going on further North. But not around here. I could be wrong but haven’t heard of any.

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Not much waro but plenty of search and destroy going on in the Raukumara, hundreds of dead deer at the bottom of slips.
Whilst at this current time there is not much waro being carried out, it will pick back up in time. Not only that, I can see search and destroy being undertaken in a lot more places than just the Raukumara.

Waro does need to be better regulated but it is a necessary evil. They should be made, even potentially subsidised by DoC, to not target predominantly stags and take out hinds.

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Originally Posted by gilly

There might be a bit going on further North. But not around here. I could be wrong but haven’t heard of any.

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plenty of TB testing culls going on by TB free. 2 years ago I went into thunderbolt creek and found out later that TB Free had been in there and taken 200 deer for testing