Thread: Deer and 1080 puzzle

I see on stuff this morning Landcare scientists are seeing increased numbers of deer in South Westland in areas where there's been 1080 drops, they're puzzled, no decent explanations.
twig and tweet and the doc greenies will be extremely disappointed!

Article is entitled "More deer encountered after 1080 drops".

I love the part where she says “deer were more conspicuous immediately after the drop, that was completely unexpected and very interesting, we don’t know what caused that” it almost like she didn’t know 1080 killed deer.

The article offers a partial explanation regarding population redistribution if competing species (possums) have been reduced food supply will be increased in those areas. The two dead deer found could have had their dentition checked for an indication of cause of death ie old age as opposed to poisoning.

If it is not just more propaganda to justify even more 1080 use.

Not what was observed in the Molesworth was it.

i have been in pureora before drops during drops and after drops........ i havent seen drops in deer numbers pig numbers goat numbers or rat numbers during any of these times what i have seen is the bush falls silent the birds get hammered, they havent done a 1080 drop in there for about 5 years? and the birdlife is cranking....
a "decent explanation" might be that their targeting of deer (or other target species)with 1080 doesnt work?

Originally Posted by scotty

i have been in pureora before drops during drops and after drops........ i havent seen drops in deer numbers pig numbers goat numbers or rat numbers during any of these times what i have seen is the bush falls silent the birds get hammered, they havent done a 1080 drop in there for about 5 years? and the birdlife is cranking....
a "decent explanation" might be that their targeting of deer (or other target species)with 1080 doesnt work?

I (and local farmer/hunters) saw a "marked" drop in Deer #
Especially in the higher levels likes of the Hauhungaroa Range zone

Mind you I am talking in the 1980's early 1st drops - I think in latter drops the Deer have become wise/shyer to it

Originally Posted by Sarvo

I (and local farmer/hunters) saw a "marked" drop in Deer #
Especially in the higher levels likes of the Hauhungaroa Range zone

Mind you I am talking in the 1980's early 1st drops - I think in latter drops the Deer have become wise/shyer to it

Always notice the drop in numbers after a drop. Less sign and browsing, unless they have moved elsewhere but never noticed any mobs migrating.

Originally Posted by Sarvo

I think in latter drops the Deer have become wise/shyer to it

sorta what i was thinking ...along with less hunting pressure with guys not harvesting after a drop

Originally Posted by scotty

sorta what i was thinking ...along with less hunting pressure with guys not harvesting after a drop

Why would you harvest poisoned meat??? You might of course shoot the deer to relieve suffering.

Originally Posted by Cordite

Why would you harvest poisoned meat??? You might of course shoot the deer to relieve suffering.

probably didnt provide enough info in my post should have added some will just say "nah not going there it gets hammered with 1080" even long after the safe to harvest date...which gives the population a chance to bounce back.
used to hunt straight after the drops with a young fella ...... it was always treated as a training exercise for him....to hone his skills if we come across a sick deer we had already preplanned thats all we would shoot to put it out of its misery. healthy looking deer we would leave for the future......having said that i do know of a DOC ranger who was harvesting meat during the no harvest period (not for research either)

Originally Posted by Cordite

Why would you harvest poisoned meat??? You might of course shoot the deer to relieve suffering.

I wont worry too much about waiting for the full ""ïts all clear"date after a 1080 drop. Deer dont take well to 1080 at all, after eating a small dose they dead within a short period take a day or 3. After heavy rain, esp after couple of times and a month or so any deer looking ok will so unlikely have 1080 posioning, little alone enough to harm you i be happy to harvest and eat with no problem .
That latest Landcare research study is the most properganda BS i have seen written in a long time.
Clearly trying to say theres quote ""no evidence of even short term negative effects of aerial 1080 ops on numbers of deer encounters and deer seen"" unquote.
Reading it you nearly believe 1080 actually increases the amount of deer(must somehow produce deer out of thin air)
This is of cause from people that are looking for rats and birds, and record encounters of deer. If a bush moves and they hear a noise in the scrub it prob is a deer so it gets recorded. One deer prob gets seen 10 times from different people, gets recorded as ten instead of one.
Its a joke, its written to con the pro 1080 and the brainless that 1080 is doing nothing to deer numbers, but, shit, it increasing them at worst haha.
Shame on who wrote that BS, its bias, its BS and prob twisted to suit the pro 1080 band wagon.

Have a link?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/science/111400...ter-1080-drops

Too slow

https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/1114...ter-1080-drops