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I see on stuff this morning Landcare scientists are seeing increased numbers of deer in South Westland in areas where there's been 1080 drops, they're puzzled, no decent explanations.
twig and tweet and the doc greenies will be extremely disappointed!
Article is entitled "More deer encountered after 1080 drops".
I love the part where she says “deer were more conspicuous immediately after the drop, that was completely unexpected and very interesting, we don’t know what caused that” it almost like she didn’t know 1080 killed deer.
The article offers a partial explanation regarding population redistribution if competing species (possums) have been reduced food supply will be increased in those areas. The two dead deer found could have had their dentition checked for an indication of cause of death ie old age as opposed to poisoning.
If it is not just more propaganda to justify even more 1080 use.
Not what was observed in the Molesworth was it.
i have been in pureora before drops during drops and after drops........ i havent seen drops in deer numbers pig numbers goat numbers or rat numbers during any of these times what i have seen is the bush falls silent the birds get hammered, they havent done a 1080 drop in there for about 5 years? and the birdlife is cranking....
a "decent explanation" might be that their targeting of deer (or other target species)with 1080 doesnt work?
Have a link?
Too slow :o
A friend of mine who formerly worked for DOC told me that he'd seen a video of a possum eating a combination of bait mixed with 1080 pellets.
The possum was sorting through pawfuls of mixed bait, and dropping the 1080 on the ground.
" Mmm Yummy
-Nope, disgusting.
- Ooh yum.
- Nope.
- Nope
- Ooh yummy.
- Didn't they put any Turkish delight in this mix?"
I thought they were not meant to target deer with 1080. Also, were they not starting to put deer repellent in?
It's a cruel death, and users of 1080 for pest control rely on a special exemption in the animal cruelty act to avoid getting charged with causing deliberate animal suffering.
That was my understanding too Cordite. Thought it was all about possums, rats and stoats etc, and deer were just collateral damage.
Nah I call Bollocks to the no deer policy.
They bloody well know it gets them and want them gone.
Molesworth anyone?
I (and local farmer/hunters) saw a "marked" drop in Deer #Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty
Especially in the higher levels likes of the Hauhungaroa Range zone
Mind you I am talking in the 1980's early 1st drops - I think in latter drops the Deer have become wise/shyer to it
Ive seen a big buck possum sitting beside a gin trap and "directing traffic" around it.....the .22lr sorted out that issue...
animals arent dumb...even sheep can "learn" what is good and what isnt.
What about People :ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Always notice the drop in numbers after a drop. Less sign and browsing, unless they have moved elsewhere but never noticed any mobs migrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarvo
The repellant is just meat meal or dried blood. That is a relatively cheap product to add ( don't believe the 'repellant is todear BS)One difficulty is that post BSE and CWD it is illegal to feed ruminant derived protein to ruminant livestock - meat meal was used in calf and stud stock rations in the past. I guess the fact that it is acting as a repellant in the pellets negates that compliance issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
I would suggest that the deer are more conspicuous because they have come out of the blow fly riddled stench of the bush into the open post drop.
It's not due to less hunters going in those areas 'cos they know it's been poisoned?
Maybe less hunters with a dog, going back. I never took my dogs back for 12 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightowl52
I have very little hands on experience of this. The only area I have actively been involved in - and made observations and in with my own eyes - was a DOC block in the Ruapehu District in Nov 2017. Hunted it immediately before the drop, watched the drop in action from a nearby high point, continued hunting the affected block and the blocks (native, scrub and farm margins) immediately after.
I did not see a reduction in deer, pig or goat numbers. Pigs move, with the seasons, and at that time of the year they were mostly still in the bush on the berries during the day, and rooting the cleared scrubby farmland margins at night. Their numbers did not appear to drop. Deer (red and fallow) were as plentiful as ever. Goats were harder to judge, because we were hammering them at the time due to their affect on recent manuka plantings (honey).
So a very small sample, the only one I have personal experience of. 1080 made bugger all difference to our deer hunting.
I do not have a position on 1080, either way, I am totally conflicted and rather pathetically confused about it. So not trying to promote a view one way or the other.
sorta what i was thinking ...along with less hunting pressure with guys not harvesting after a dropQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarvo
Why would you harvest poisoned meat??? You might of course shoot the deer to relieve suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty
probably didnt provide enough info in my post should have added some will just say "nah not going there it gets hammered with 1080" even long after the safe to harvest date...which gives the population a chance to bounce back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
used to hunt straight after the drops with a young fella ...... it was always treated as a training exercise for him....to hone his skills if we come across a sick deer we had already preplanned thats all we would shoot to put it out of its misery. healthy looking deer we would leave for the future......having said that i do know of a DOC ranger who was harvesting meat during the no harvest period (not for research either)
I wont worry too much about waiting for the full ""īts all clear"date after a 1080 drop. Deer dont take well to 1080 at all, after eating a small dose they dead within a short period take a day or 3. After heavy rain, esp after couple of times and a month or so any deer looking ok will so unlikely have 1080 posioning, little alone enough to harm you i be happy to harvest and eat with no problem .Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
That latest Landcare research study is the most properganda BS i have seen written in a long time.
Clearly trying to say theres quote ""no evidence of even short term negative effects of aerial 1080 ops on numbers of deer encounters and deer seen"" unquote.
Reading it you nearly believe 1080 actually increases the amount of deer(must somehow produce deer out of thin air)
This is of cause from people that are looking for rats and birds, and record encounters of deer. If a bush moves and they hear a noise in the scrub it prob is a deer so it gets recorded. One deer prob gets seen 10 times from different people, gets recorded as ten instead of one.
Its a joke, its written to con the pro 1080 and the brainless that 1080 is doing nothing to deer numbers, but, shit, it increasing them at worst haha.
Shame on who wrote that BS, its bias, its BS and prob twisted to suit the pro 1080 band wagon.
The ERMA REVIEW of 1080 , 2007 expressly forbade the use of 1080 to target deer. However, I am aware that regulation has been broken including bycthe appkication of 1080 gel paited on the foliage of deer preferred vegetstion eith treated branches tied down to permit access by the deer. Fallow herds in SI have been desimated by 1080 in the past.
88% of deer killed in the treated area and at least 8-9 years for the deer numbers to recover. (IF left alone) OSPRI / DoC habits of poisoning every 3-4 years could therefore wipe out deer in that sort of terrain.
I have on three seperate occaisions written to government explaining how TBFree AHB OSPRI are spending Three Billion Dollars more than they need to in their great Bovine TB crusade. IMO they are in collusion with DoC and heavily subsidising DoC poisoning operations elsewhere on the pretext of bTB threat as far as 20 km away from any recorded tb animal as long ago as 8+ years.
I think the knee jerk reaction to Christchurch is a fine example of people's behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarvo
Blame the law abiding - cause they're easier to find.
