Thread: Deer Population Growth

Originally Posted by STC

Please keep your projections to your self, and also understand that my remark was not necessarily aimed directly at you, each and every one will have their reasons, some of them even good reasons.

I do not mind people keeping their secret spots. On the contrary. But there are plenty of new hunters that are struggling to get their freezer filled. Vullshitting about how deer numbers are "exploding" (they are not in many places), does not help.

I also do not necessarily have problems with helicopter operations, as long as the meat is used, on the contrary.

Nearly all land can be made accessible if there is a desire to do so. Ask the early settlers, Sadly we have adopted an attitude of finding excuses not to do something instead of getting on with it.

Bullshitting? Are you for real?

And helicopter operations always using the meat? Are you aware of the current venison economics? Thousands of deer are being shot to waste right now, because the economics of recovery and processing aren't remotely close to breaking even, let alone turning a profit.

We are free to express our views in open forum and I will do so in this matter whether you like my "projections" or not. Simply put, the answer to this problem is absolutely not giving new hunters permission on every property with a deer control problem. That is an extremely naïve view. Land owners have significant exposure to hunting related risks and unfortunately, the new hunter population is and always has been plagued by the unacceptable number of fuckwits. Why do you think that land owners are so wary of giving strangers permission? New hunters need to work up the ranks just like the rest of us did. They are extremely lucky to have so much public land access in NZ.

I'm quite happy to stand by what I've said. I can't really get my head around you seeming to believe we're making things up about the over-population problem. Unreal.

great discussion - shoot to waste has been a culling rule for years - I know of operators going out shooting 500 + to reduce numbers and no recovery -in some areas the numbers are well up especially fallow in many areas - having managed culling operations the rule is dont spend time and money stuffing around with carcasses - use the time to shoot more - simple as that - we need to accept that there will be shoot and leave helicopter operations - access to private requires time and networking - just ringing is not enough - visit and be willing to give something back like a hand with firewood - my good spots took a long time and I dont break any rules put on me - and I make damn sure its the beer that he likes yuk yuk and mother gets wine or premixed

Originally Posted by Flyblown

Bullshitting? Are you for real?

And helicopter operations always using the meat? Are you aware of the current venison economics? Thousands of deer are being shot to waste right now, because the economics of recovery and processing aren't remotely close to breaking even, let alone turning a profit.

We are free to express our views in open forum and I will do so in this matter whether you like my "projections" or not. Simply put, the answer to this problem is absolutely not giving new hunters permission on every property with a deer control problem. That is an extremely naïve view. Land owners have significant exposure to hunting related risks and unfortunately, the new hunter population is and always has been plagued by the unacceptable number of fuckwits. Why do you think that land owners are so wary of giving strangers permission? New hunters need to work up the ranks just like the rest of us did. They are extremely lucky to have so much public land access in NZ.

I'm quite happy to stand by what I've said. I can't really get my head around you seeming to believe we're making things up about the over-population problem. Unreal.

Those who want to achieve something find ways those who do not find reasons...

All these "problems" could be solved or at least mitigated if there was a will. Instead some actors choose to whinge and moan.