Thread: DOC not keen on tungsten shot due H&S for Tahr culling

Second half of the article

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...to-protect-kea

when you read it.....the reason had NOTHING TO DO with the type of shot...the empty cases were chucked further with more potent loadings and had hit rotors...so a deflector fitted to ejection port (like many did 50 years ago) solves issue..as does using break open....which a mate told me was weapon of choice when they were culling geese from chopper for ease of reloading... the old SxS is quickest of all when you take detachable mags out of equation....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

when you read it.....the reason had NOTHING TO DO with the type of shot...the empty cases were chucked further with more potent loadings and had hit rotors...so a deflector fitted to ejection port (like many did 50 years ago) solves issue..as does using break open....which a mate told me was weapon of choice when they were culling geese from chopper for ease of reloading... the old SxS is quickest of all when you take detachable mags out of equation....

A semi and modern loading techniques absolutely smokes a SXS for speed.

good to know.....without detachable mag??

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

good to know.....without detachable mag??

Yep. You do have to know what you're doing with the semi and have the right gear. Load2 technique you can smash a lot of rounds in the tube mag real fast

hmmm Im still figuring out the quirks of Beretta ....often still cock it up and have to cycle one out to continue filling mag....the H&R pump was dead simple by comparison.

They test for lead poisoning but dont notice any 1080 in the system????? Wont find it if they dont look?

Originally Posted by timattalon

They test for lead poisoning but dont notice any 1080 in the system????? Wont find it if they dont look?

And incriminate themselves? Unlikely

Originally Posted by gimp

Yep. You do have to know what you're doing with the semi and have the right gear. Load2 technique you can smash a lot of rounds in the tube mag real fast

And ejector sxs with quick loaders is probably as fast. Morbid but relevant the Dunblane massacre in Scotland I think it was, the gunman used a sxs his rate of fire was around 30 shots per minute, underestimating the speed of reloading cost a policeman his life. Speed is no good without accuracy no matter what.

Why are they not using shell catchers anyhow?

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Why are they not using shell catchers anyhow?

Good point. Doubt they're going around picking up the empties

Typical, govt entity mis-identifies the problem and applies the wrong fix.

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

Good point. Doubt they're going around picking up the empties

Old man does quite a few wallabies from the chopper and when they're on doc blocks one of the requirements is that no cartridges are to fall outside of the chopper so has a shell catchers on at all times, saves the pilot wearing the odd one in the face or getting them built up under pedals etc. Usually not a problem with right handed shooter in MD500 as pilot is on left and shells fly straight out the door but does a heap of work from R44 and Cabri and pilot on right side so everything ejects inwards

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

And ejector sxs with quick loaders is probably as fast.

This assertion has been made before and I've been sceptical. Here's a video I made last time - 20 aimed rounds in about 28 seconds from a semi, not using the more modern loading techniques which would halve the reloading time. If anyone wants to demonstrate doing it faster with a SxS I'm perfectly willing to be convinced

https://youtu.be/yq-PEMugBg4

Originally Posted by GDMP

The murderer at Dunblane used pistols for his spree......that shooting was the catalyst for the the UK's prohibition of handguns.

And now there’s no pistols in the UK...pfft!