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https://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-re...ightings-maps/
For those that haven't seen the latest cull figures and locations.
Looking at the maps of the kill locations is real cringe worthy especially in Westland national park.
A huge number shot in the Karangarua which is a main recreational hunting area. Its a terrible loss for recreation and something that we should never forget.
The betrayal from Doc and Sage has been despicable really. The trust will no longer exist.
Scum!
They are obviously targeting females outside the "extinction from parks " zones. Despicable is too kind a description of this government. Extremists would better describe them.
you have to be joking?Quote:
Originally Posted by yogi
who on earth in the hunting fraternity has ever trusted this bunch of eco-warriors ever?
Why the hell do you feel betrayed?
They were never ever ever going to do what was in our interests, only theirs.
They have in in the "forest and bird" mandate to eradicate all non indigenous species right down to trout.
DOC are filled with these people and their minister Sage is an ex senior card carrying member (number 2 at one stage?) of the Twig and Twitter brigade.
Expect nothing less
Aren't they an endangered species in their native country?
I can't believe a supposedly green animal loving govt and doc are happily pushing a species ever closer to possible extinction.
Don't know how they sleep at night.
Seriously; if these morons get their way, all dogs and cats will be eradicated and people encouraged to have tuatara as pets. I can detail this proposal to anyone face to face exactly as I experienced the proposal from Victoria University proff.
The coalition of traitors have shown complete disregard for due and democratic process and NZ law in nearly everything they do.
In typical herr clark fashion they just do it and carry on with no consequence.
Oh yea,maybe an enquiry
Mind you when the opposition consists of 1 person the system is broken anyway.
DOC especially but multiple areas of local and national gvtmnt seem to be run by a fairly small group of extremists
Do they really have public support for their radical ideologies?
Why do we let them get the chance?
Maybe this is the sort of thing it will take to get people engaged and mobilise.
We all knew this would happen if the ecoterrorists got near the controls.
Indignation will change nothing on it's own,we need follow thru
Right or wrong these days it largely comes down to who's got the biggest purse.
We have organisations that exist to promote and defend our position but these need our overwhelming support not just to be left to it and hope they
do something for us.
Why aren't we all wearing Tahr foundation t shirts,caps,whatever,deerstalkers,colfo
my 2c
rough maths...2000 animals shot in 125hrs...
That's a bugger in general but, especially the Karangarua, probably one of my favourites areas.
It’s 3139 just over 25 an hourQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Well winding the clock back a number of years ago, hunters used to have consultation and a reasonable working relationship with Doc.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
We had the Tahr liaison group, which after good communications with the regional Doc guys, would undertake culls in areas that were recognised to have too many tahr.
The Doc website used to put up 'hotspot' areas for rec hunters to target problem areas.
We used to be able to call up the regional office of Doc to find out suggested areas to go hunt.
It didnt used to be like it is now. The age of the extremist greenies taking over with their unreasonable uncompromising attitude has taken over Doc and certainly not for the better.
Wonder how many of the 853 in Westland and 323 in mt cook Were mature Bulls
when I came to south island some 30 something years ago I couldnt understand the distrust of DOC...up north we had sika jawbone things going on and kill returns on permits
I MAY have been responsible for the kill return thing being scrapped...I pointed out to DOC fella at a deerstalker meeting that I PERSONALLY had shot 50% of the deer and 100% of the chammy his figures had down for a local area for previous 12mths.......
Unfortunately I truly believe democracy is dead in this country as far as the govt is concerned. The illegal lockdown also proved that they are above the law. If they had announced this policy of extermination before the last election would it have made 1 iota of difference? We will find out the answer to that in a few months i guess.The sheeple just don't care about the wildlife any moreQuote:
Originally Posted by widerange
To busy queing up for the latest i-phone so they can take selfies with three cameras simultaneously and post them on farcebook.
They have smashed all of Westland with 2306 shot.
Not only has Westland national park been smashed, but heavily sort after ballot blocks right from the Landsborough through to Whataroa/Poerua have been absolutely hammered.
Doc know how important recreational and commercial guided hunting is to westland and yet they still did this to us.
Don't ever forget those that have done this to our highly valued Tahr herd just so they can line their pockets and fulfill self interests. They had a choice.
We must not forget about what has happened and take it lying down. The plan for whats left of our Tahr herd needs to be implemented heavily going forward.
Jesus - this makes my piss boil.
The relationship with DOC is totally broken. They have the political leadership in Sage (Who has zero electoral mandate) they wanted to legitimise their fundamentalist agenda. Moaning will do nothing to address this fellas: you have to get out there and be heard. I have informed my MP (Labour for Tasman and West Coast) that I will never vote for him again (I wasn’t going to, before anyone asks). I encourage others to do the same as they care about nothing more than retaining their jobs.
Sadly there is no effective opposition and Labour will canter to a big win. The best we can do on the short term is to see the back of the “honourable” Conservation Minister.
Get out there and be heard fellas: the election is close and in sufficient numbers we may be heard.
What pissed me off was when they said they weren't going to target the easily accessible front country then they send out an email with pictures showing Bush stream, Rangitata with cull dots all over the place. One of the most easily accessible streams in the country. Sadly I got the email a couple of days after walking around the area for 2 days looking for a tahr for the freezer.
Negotiations with liars are always a waste of time and resources. History has proved that. DoC have proven to be intractable in the long view as far as hunting is concerned.
yip some of the decisions just make no sense at all....as do a lot of the regulations around access.
Well that would be subjective to the intent of the agendaQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
The major culling of the Karangarua has been huge blow for hunters both recreational and guided.
It is such an iconic valley and one that has meant so much to alot of people.
I just can't understand why this could have happened here of all places.
I would like areas like this managed and protected by an organisation like the Tahr foundation to prevent this happening again.
The question in my mind and many others is does this mean the end of hunting Tahr in the likes of the Karangarua until they breed up or migrate from other areas??
Is there still going to be a huntable population that have escaped or that are living in the bush??
Their policy objective is extermination from the national park. Hunter organisations need to combine forces and get the likes of Sage and the col out of government and to effectively contest the extremist forest and bird types.
The one positive is that the cull tallies can be added to the residual population estimates to check how accurate the estimates made last year were. Were there 17000 or 37000 ?
Then in the future a more honest population total can be accessed
It’s probably just me but the only cull maps I can see there are last years and they’ve been known for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by yogi
Is there a link to this year’s culls I’m missing?
see DOC "report" update via Herald today. ""We will be putting out maps showing identifiable male tahr sightings on our website later this week to help hunters "
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-count...U7EXRXIDVJMJE/
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr300WSM
Averaging almost one every two minutes of every hour…bastids!
As of about yesterday the maps have been updated to show some info from this year’s cull.
Got an email with the latest slaughter Tally for July, being a technocluts I don't know how to attach.
Tahr controlled in management units July 2021
Management unit Date of operation Tahr control maps Tahr controlled
MU 3 Gammack – Two Thumb July 2021 Control map (PDF, 6,333K) (opens in new window) 187 female and juvenile
MU 4A Westland/Tai Poutini National Park July 2021 Control map (PDF, 2,654K) (opens in new window) 1441 animals
MU 5 Ben Ohau July 2021 Control map (PDF, 3,620K) (opens in new window) 111 female and juvenile
That’s only one third of this years cull done wouldn’t want to be a tahr living in the national parks for the next 6 months, and the ones that do better find themselves a nice deep cave to hide in.Quote:
Originally Posted by madjon_
They grew from 6 to a herd...governments change, and so does the voice that directs them, we are in a sequence of green and return NZ to the garden of Eden .
The bell tolls for the greens. Their day is coming to an end, the country cannot afford their ideals.
Long live the Tahr!
Personally and I expect people already are , but video hunters need to show that they are harvesting meat animals rather than days of climbing and hunting for a for a trophy bull.
Perhaps a summer trip of meat hunting, showing they are willing and how to harvest and use this resource...the more we provide evidence of animal control with out DOC culling the better or position to appose it.