Thread: Eugenie Sage

Originally Posted by Lukeduncan

I'll rephrase sorry was a bit broad. I think the plan needs to be updated to suit the increase of public land from retired grazing since 1993 and increase the number of tahr allowed within the range.

I was wondering why it should be revised but that sheds some light on the situation.


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Well she has been asked quite a few questions that she needs to answer by Andrew Falloon which should prove she hasn't consulted with interested parties, etc

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/orde...a.PageNumber=6

Excellent

Good to see him making the effort to get some answers.

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Lets face it; she's a Green Party extremist with associated extreme views endorsed, without question, by Forest and Bird.
To say that anything that's "not native " to NZ needs got rid off reinforces her position, and should sound warning bells to us all.
The Tahr are just the thin edge of the wedge; I suspect very soon it will be deer on public land.

[QUOTE=Danny;748801]I was wondering why it should be revised but that sheds some light on the situation.



Mate @Danny in this day and age everything is getting revised wake up & smell the ...mount cook lillys !!
look at all the huge changes industry's have or are facing ,farming , freedom camping , mining , on & on it go,s so even in that sense 25 years is waaay out dated for a review , I don't even think I had a cell phone back then , take your pic sadly things seem to be getting worse rather than better , even so 25 years ago there was likely less interest in Tahr , id imagine quite a few hunting business have sprung up since then with the power of the interweb presence much stronger , more hunters around & much more vocal with cool hunting sights like this, youtube etc to help make that happen , what day 3 on give a little & there's nearly $128,000 in the kitty , regular comments from foreign hunters , is the penny dropping yet !! , all the signs are there pointing at an outdated Tahr plan that is letting all of us down , it does not reflect 2018 & sage knows it , id be really interested to no if they have had an add up in the "Tahr industry " from woe to go you no from everyday hunters spending money on camping equipment, guns , ammo , sports shops , tourists coming in to shoot them , money getting spent on choppers , hotels etc etc .

Originally Posted by Bos

Lets face it; she's a Green Party extremist with associated extreme views endorsed, without question, by Forest and Bird.
To say that anything that's "not native " to NZ needs got rid off reinforces her position, and should sound warning bells to us all.
The Tahr are just the thin edge of the wedge; I suspect very soon it will be deer on public land.

Truer than you may know.
Sumner RHA is in real danger of having the deer WAROd. Deer numbers are considered unacceptably high, probably rightly so in some bits. Now would be a good time for the GAC and NZDA to create a precedent there - employ choppers themselves, target hinds and sell the animals (transparently)with any profits returned to better manage the RHA.
In the meantime, anyone hunting that area bomb away and give DOC your numbers.
If DOC lets WARO in - and Ms Sage is more likely than anyone to green light it- it will be the beginning of the end of RHAs

We hunt we fish we vote....we also are brought more together than ever before by these actions ( Trout and Thar culling),and yes the thought this is only the being ... finally we will rise as one voice and say enough ...I believe this is the catalyst we may have required!

Originally Posted by Bos

Lets face it; she's a Green Party extremist with associated extreme views endorsed, without question, by Forest and Bird.
To say that anything that's "not native " to NZ needs got rid off reinforces her position, and should sound warning bells to us all.
The Tahr are just the thin edge of the wedge; I suspect very soon it will be deer on public land.

It's been all about the deer around my neck of the woods for quite some time now...that come from DOC's own mouth.

As for the so called high Thar numbers,,guess we didn't kill enough back in the old days lol.

Originally Posted by doinit

It's been all about the deer around my neck of the woods for quite some time now...that come from DOC's own mouth.

As for the so called high Thar numbers,,guess we didn't kill enough back in the old days lol.

Its not your fault you didn't kill enough back then @doinit you probably only had 303,s

Interesting to see the answers on the 2nd of October.
I’d have load 60 question onto her. Get here snowed under with them. Make her feel like a Thar in winter

Originally Posted by ethos

Truer than you may know.
Sumner RHA is in real danger of having the deer WAROd. Deer numbers are considered unacceptably high, probably rightly so in some bits. Now would be a good time for the GAC and NZDA to create a precedent there - employ choppers themselves, target hinds and sell the animals (transparently)with any profits returned to better manage the RHA.
In the meantime, anyone hunting that area bomb away and give DOC your numbers.
If DOC lets WARO in - and Ms Sage is more likely than anyone to green light it- it will be the beginning of the end of RHAs

Thats the guts of it. Ive seen the high Tahr numbers in some catchments, and Ive seen the high deer numbers in Lake Sumner and on Molesworth station, but what I dont see is a joint discussion on how best to deal with these specific areas. Instead, its open slather generated by some DOC bureaucrat and his/her political supporters, and this is what has to change

Originally Posted by Bos

Thats the guts of it. Ive seen the high Tahr numbers in some catchments, and Ive seen the high deer numbers in Lake Sumner and on Molesworth station, but what I dont see is a joint discussion on how best to deal with these specific areas. Instead, its open slather generated by some DOC bureaucrat and his/her political supporters, and this is what has to change

DOC's problem is wanting to eradicate all mammals that aren't farmed, Heard some dude on the radio yesterday from DOC and he was getting into rant territory, for a minute I thought he was going to invade Poland it was that OTT

The biggest uncontrolled animal problem in the open dryer country of the South Island is Hares. Hares do an incredible amount of damage to regeneration, nipping off seedlings at ground level and smaller trees about 250 mm above the ground. In any discussion regarding wild animal numbers and population limits hares need to be included. Much high country in Canterbury was burnt in the early days for sheep grazing and now it is retired. Where there are populations of Hares the regen is very slow. My 2c

Originally Posted by Boaraxa

Its not your fault you didn't kill enough back then @doinit you probably only had 303,s

Treble two's matey.