Thread: Farmer lying about paper road?

I want to access a block thats only accessible by a paper road (shown clearly on WAMS) I contacted DOC who couldn't help with what the go to was. They did say they had accessed it to do goat control through the station with the paper road through it.

The stations private tracks dont follow the paper road the whole way but the paper road is along a fairly easy to follow course.

I contacted the station to ask whether i could have permission to access the block via their track rather than jumping their fences for the sake of walking 2 yards of the track. The owner, who is either misinformed or blatantly lying to me told me that there is not paper road and that its all private and access is from the other side via some creek (whos name doesn't exist). He also said they dont allow access via their property as its a game park and they have had issues previously.

Well im going to try ring DOC once more and confirm that their is no other access but id like to get peoples opinions on this.

On another note I can see they have a track they have made that runs right through the DOC block and appears to be cut to allow them to drive to key glassing points (turn around bays at these points) I would have though this to be illegal on public land. This is what grinds my gears as denying access on their private tracks is there prerogative but lying about a paper road and then having an presumably illegal track they presumably are using to make this doc block a pseudo game park (that they pay nothing for) is whats upset me a touch.

Sounds like you are trying to access the Waihopai... ?

Originally Posted by Hahn

Sounds like you are trying to access the Waihopai... ?

Not going to comment on location as if I have to battle to get access I don't want it advertised hahaha

@muzza Yes. Sometimes paper roads are what they call "stopped" by councils and they lose their special status.

Personally, I don't think that challenging farmers about paper roads is worth the fuss. Creates angst all round.

Originally Posted by Tahr

@muzza Yes. Sometimes paper roads are what they call "stopped" by councils and they lose their special status.

Personally, I don't think that challenging farmers about paper roads is worth the fuss. Creates angst all round.

Good info to know. And I don't agree if they want that pseudo private land they can buy it of the public at the rate it would go for as station/hunting lease block rates. If the guys benefitting financially off it and won't be allowing hunting access to anyone anyway whats the lost case. Its not like I'm challenging him to hunt his own private land it's public land.

Originally Posted by Tahr

@muzza Yes. Sometimes paper roads are what they call "stopped" by councils and they lose their special status.

Personally, I don't think that challenging farmers about paper roads is worth the fuss. Creates angst all round.

Again Tahr best post in this thread.
And most people that posted seem to wonder why farmers won't let them through but read the responses.
We have a fairly heavily used paper road through our farm that a few forum people use regularly, yes the gates locked thats because if you slide of the track in your car and die its on us, but your welcome to walk it anytime,
No the council has never maintained it thats all the farmer.
The other fact that no one's caught onto is often the "paper" road on a topo map is actually miles from the actual paper road something some of you should keep in mind, some paper roads have also been swapped with Doc for access around boundaries after bulldozing and maintenance all at the cost to the farmers.
The hate on farmers here recently is hard to take and yet you wonder why you can't get onto farms.....

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Originally Posted by BRADS

Again Tahr best post in this thread.
And most people that posted seem to wonder why farmers won't let them through but read the responses.
We have a fairly heavily used paper road through our farm that a few forum people use regularly, yes the gates locked thats because if you slide of the track in your car and die its on us, but your welcome to walk it anytime,
No the council has never maintained it thats all the farmer.
The other fact that no one's caught onto is often the "paper" road on a topo map is actually miles from the actual paper road something some of you should keep in mind, some paper roads have also been swapped with Doc for access around boundaries after bulldozing and maintenance all at the cost to the farmers.
The hate on farmers here recently is hard to take and yet you wonder why you can't get onto farms.....

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Yeah cause some farmers are cunts believe or not

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Originally Posted by NRT

Yeah cause some farmers are cunts believe or not

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You mistakenly meant that for the Covid 19 thread yes ???

Originally Posted by NRT

Yeah cause some farmers are cunts believe or not

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At least those things are useful.

Originally Posted by Tahr

At least those things are useful.

At your age..? Whasya secret?

Originally Posted by NRT

Yeah cause some farmers are cunts believe or not

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There is never a more accurate statement some road end farmers are the biggest fuckstains I've ever meet and a embarrassment to the rest of us.
But there in the minority and I feel the farmer hate here is more than a minority.

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Originally Posted by BRADS

There is never a more accurate statement some road end farmers are the biggest fuckstains I've ever meet and a embarrassment to the rest of us.
But there in the minority and I feel the farmer hate here is more than a minority.

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I agree that plenty of hunters are pretty disrespectful of hunters I'd not the say the majority but I'd say the minority that lack the basic respect towards people are also the ones your likely to hear speaking up as they are also the type to dumb to know when to shut up.

Originally Posted by BRADS

There is never a more accurate statement some road end farmers are the biggest fuckstains I've ever meet and a embarrassment to the rest of us.
But there in the minority and I feel the farmer hate here is more than a minority.

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Hahaha i can think of at least one who fits the cunt bill just perfect

Originally Posted by BRADS

Again Tahr best post in this thread.
And most people that posted seem to wonder why farmers won't let them through but read the responses.
We have a fairly heavily used paper road through our farm that a few forum people use regularly, yes the gates locked thats because if you slide of the track in your car and die its on us, but your welcome to walk it anytime,
No the council has never maintained it thats all the farmer.
The other fact that no one's caught onto is often the "paper" road on a topo map is actually miles from the actual paper road something some of you should keep in mind, some paper roads have also been swapped with Doc for access around boundaries after bulldozing and maintenance all at the cost to the farmers.
The hate on farmers here recently is hard to take and yet you wonder why you can't get onto farms.....

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The paper road thing has been brought up as mentioned near page 2 about this is a "paper" Road from Wams not some track on a topo which I agree means nothing just like the many private huts on topos. I'm not hating on farmers and dislike the comments below as it helps nothing but in this case can you really defend a guy lying about a legal access potentially putting illegal tracks into public land. I don't hate farmers my entire family are farmers so completely understand the inconvenience hence why I'm not making any argument to have him make a track. I just want to walk into a block that I legally can and would prefer give them the option to let me walk the track and not have to jump or duck under his. Fences in regards to liability that argument is a bit loose as if they are on the road it's not the farmers problem otherwise pretty much all the south island easements over stations would would mean they are screwed as people drown trucks regularly.

I guess to the farmers here validating this behaviour how do you differentiate this from the government banning firearms because of a select few individuals actions? Or do you not complain about them.

And equally to those that are maybe getting a bit anti farmers maybe try consider why they are frustrated and try give them a little consideration (don't have to agree with there opinions but I can see why they have them as they manage and maintain there farms as they see fit and its very easy for a few to ruin it.

I just don't see how one thinks it fair to try stop people using a legal access that exists solely to allow access to public land.

Originally Posted by Stocky

I just don't see how one thinks it fair to try stop people using a legal access that exists solely to allow access to public land.

He does it cos he knows he can get away with it.

Many farmers act with impunity on all sorts of issues, because they know that the likelihood of a council officer or any other kind of officer doing anything about it is low. That’s not hating on farmers, @BRADS, just how it is and I’m sure you know that too.

Not all farmers, but some. They get away with it. A few are complete bastards. Most aren’t, and are decent ordinary folk. Just like the rest of society.

The reason this paper road / ULR problem exists is simply because it hasn’t been actively enforced in a systematic, consistent manner. It’s a legacy problem from a bygone era that has become horribly complicated by the passage of time. The territorial authorities hate dealing with the ULR problem, but ultimately if you are unable to negotiate access directly with the landowner, that’s who you must consult, the council, and request their assistance.