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I am interested in combining a trip to whakapapa ski field with a hunting trip in the same area
What are the chances someone on here has or knows someone that has storage for a firearm in or around national park village
Would be looking to hunt on days when weather isn’t so flash on the mountain and need storage for days when skiing
Cheers
Mike
Police station?
since you will have a secure storage system in your vehicle to comply with the new rules - leave the rifle there. Its compliant , after all.....
Good luck with that. Especially if your or the other guys guns are registered.
I’ve pointed this scenario out several times to various people and they all looked at me like I’m mad.
Best I can think of is to hide the gun in your car and take the bolt skiing with you.
A mate I stay with sometimes when I’m away hunting isn’t a fal holder and has little kids in his house, so there’s no way my guns coming inside, Yet according to the law I can’t leave the gun in my Ute overnight either.
What I do there is take the bolt and ammo inside in my bag but leave rifle out of sight in locked Ute, and put Ute inside his yard.
Errr, maybe its something to do with your Pseudonym, @Maddoghunter:ORLY::D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddoghunter
You can only leave the car unattended for up to an hour I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by winchesterM69A
Can you, @winchesterM69A, indicate where in the legislation that a firearm is allowed to be left unattended in a vehicle for a long length of time?Quote:
Originally Posted by winchesterM69A
My understanding that the time limit is one hour unless the vehicle has the equivalent of an appropriate gun safe.
Not me man. If you want to get all legislationed up - be my guest
So @winchesterM69A on what did you base your comment?Quote:
Originally Posted by winchesterM69A
I'm actually interested where your comment came from as it is typical of misinformation around what is legal &/or acceptable.
Was it your understanding of the law & regulations or something someone else had said or written?
Let me put this in context - if it were I , The suggestion I made would probably be my preferred option , if there was no other reasonable option open. I dont ski so its not a position I would find myself in , but taking reasonable and practical steps to secure said firearm in my vehicle , in a manner approved by the current legislation would have to be better than shoving in the wardrobe in a motel unit- would it not???
I don't know that the police station would be any good. (worth a call to the local arms officer)
One of my mates got pulled up by a Waiouru based cop coming out of the southern access in the last 12 mths or so. Issue was 2 things, guys have been driving up the track to get vehicles out of sight of the road and someone had been taking a quad up the southern access and heading south into the defence land, they even had a helicopter up looking for him.
Mate was on a motor bike and complained about the risk of leaving it in the roadside car park. (No give, it's DOC land and no motorised access you risk getting a warning letter)
Cop offered his personal details and suggested mate could leave his bike at his place in waiouru and he could help get him dropped off and picked up.
Z
There must be plenty of North Island hunters that drive to South Island to hunt, and vice versa. They most likely stay in a motel at some stage and probably treat themselves to a nice dinner out at some stage. What do they do? They can’t leave rifles in motel, and can’t leave them in car.
DoC have not made things easy there, and most certainly have not made the outdoor experience any easier for us. First they actively work against the public's access to the Kaimanawas by promoting Crown land be handed over to Trusts, thereby removing 50% of the Public access points to the Kaimanawas, then they get arsey if you don't want your car broken into in the middle of nowhere, by threatening you if you attempt to hide your car from perps up there......And now they appear ready to launch helo gunships to manage the overpopulation of Deer in the South Western Kaimanawas (if they still have access to the budget to do that sort of stuff)...'cause they have made it oh so hard for hunters to gain access to the Public Estate FFS!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ZQLewis
Oh..., and no motorised access, UNLESS you are DoC and can drive diggers, bikes, 4 wheelers into all sorts of places as they are working...:wtfsmilie:
Rules for thee..... but not for me, it seems. Unless you are in a special category.Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
They dont broacast what they are doing on the internet...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddoghunter
Technically leaving a firearm, unattended, in a motel room breaks the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by winchesterM69A
Leaving a firearm in a locked case, case locked to the vehicle, for more than 60 minutes breaks the law.
Those of use who travel have probably done (and may still do) both of these actions. That doesn't make them legal.
As I read the law if you go out for dinner you're meant to take your locked rifle case into the restaurant with you if you're going to be there for more than 60 minutes. The law is stupid, I think we can agree with that.
I take my bolts in a backpack into the restaurant with rifles locked in vehicle.
I can return to vehicle every 55 minutes thereby ensuring that the 60 minute limit is not broken.
Stupid but it is compliant with the law.
Yep, the law leaves you with a Catch 22 situation on these occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
I suspect there’s a fair few doing the ‘leave the gun locked in the car but take the bolt with me’ however those with shotguns and lever actions etc don’t have that option so what to do?
So , just to extend the legal dumbfuckery further - what do you all do to secure your firearm when you are in a hut or a tent?
It's in your possession/in use so not required to be stored.Quote:
Originally Posted by winchesterM69A
In ops situation I'd be looking to lock the rifle in a hardcase and lock the hard case to something in the accomo rather than leave it in the vehicle. Vehicle break ins are way to common.
Take the bolt skiing. Bit of a don't ask don't tell situation.
Having talked to Police officers (including some of the new authority staff) on a number of these issues I have observed an unofficial but consistent message of pragmatism.
There is a wide acknowledgement the law doesn't cover all potential scenarios and we are encouraged to act security minded and pragmatic. This won't save you if you are found to be in breach and an officer/prosecutor takes exception but I consider a thoughtful and pragmatic firearms licence holder will in general be given the benefit of the doubt.
I also believe the evidence of this is the rarity of benign but nevertheless illegal events being prosecuted. There have been a few but not enough to point to active targeting of minor misalignment with Arms legislation. In most cases I have heard of the police have taken an educative approach and informed individuals of their requirements.
Act responsibly, do what is practicable to secure your firearms, take vital parts with you, and I think you'll be fine.
Section 3.1.6 of this guidance does provide some assistance but still doesn't cover/allow for when you might be absent from temporary accommodation: https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....e-guidance.pdf
I got a couple of lock cables made up at Cooke's in Invercargill, and was told they made a fair few cables up after Doc and the local police had been boating a few of the huts on Stewart Island checking for unsecured firearms
....Yeah, cause the Mongrel Mob and Black Power are all over Stewart Island...:wtfsmilie:
Essentially the new firearms storage legislation has made it impossible to go on a hunting trip and adhere to the storage requirements.
If you stay in a back country hut, friends place, motel or whatever situation you need to stay in means that storage of firearms won't follow the legislation.
It's possible this could be used against us if they want to make things difficult.
Maybe there is an need for portable vehicle firearm safes that are somehow fixed to the vehicle to overcome this issue??
are the ones in cop cars compliant?
it what way would staying in a back country hut be non compliant????Quote:
Originally Posted by yogi
unless you leave it unattended and bugger off sight seeing . same with at friends place...unless you leave it unattended its still in your possession.
Doesn't matter. The Arms Act doesn't apply to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/.../DLM72679.html
Under section 3.1.6 for overnight storage it states that arrangements must be made for secure storage when away from the usual facility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
A back country hut is a public place but has no secure storage.
My point is that it can be determined that laws are broken even though it's not practical to find security.
Yes, because they don’t need a licence, so not covered by silly lawsQuote:
Originally Posted by blip
Yup they areQuote:
Originally Posted by blip
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Damn youd think if its approved for police use we could go under the same regulations....Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
I discussed this with the vettor at my renewal last year, if you're asleep the firearm is considered unattended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
So there must be at least 2 of you on an overnighter and one must must be awake at all times. Gets sillier by the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
well that counts out maimai at midday...tree stands....sunny day over looking clearing after a long night or early start...being driven pretty much anywhere...... absolute dumbfuckery law that wee titbit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
I think it is to prevent people keeping a firearm under the bed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
You need this.
https://youtu.be/guJxW2OPj3c
ok so you decide to go for a hunt,leaving home at 05;00 are you suggesting that removing the rifle from guncabinet before you go to bed at night is no longer legal??? be a LOT of VERY pissed off mums n kiddies when Dad wakes them up getting it out in the morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
Thats cool @Allizdog
Re Sleeping I though a cable though the action and though the bed frame (or something fixed and solid) was acceptable.
Mid 2022 son was given his licence based on 2 eye bolts in to timber in the back of the wardrobe and a cable and padlock.
No rifle present but he had to show the ability to secure one.
Z
Storage legislation: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regu...DLM169122.html
Because of clause 19 (5) this guidance document has legal effect: https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....e-guidance.pdf
That guidance document is the only place which specifically details when firearms must be locked away. The wording is the firearm " is not under the immediate and personal supervision of the holder or some other holder of a firearms licence".
Up to you to make interpretation of that.
Thats all I used for long enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by ZQLewis