Taking my rifle on a plane for the first time Air NZ are happy for the rifle, bolt and ammo to all go in the same locked case. Is this normal? I’d have thought bolt needed to be seperate?
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Taking my rifle on a plane for the first time Air NZ are happy for the rifle, bolt and ammo to all go in the same locked case. Is this normal? I’d have thought bolt needed to be seperate?
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You will hear different rules from different people in Air New Zealand, then airport security have different rules again. Generally rifle by itself in a locked guncase, ammo and bolt in a separate checked baggage (not in carry on). Ammo in a factory ammo container if you can. Turn up to check in early.
Thanks, they seemed to want me to keep the ammo with it. Was thinking of putting bolt in checked baggage
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I rang just last week to inform them I would be carrying a firearm for a match in the NI.
I was told it had to be separate baggage.
I informed them it was a handgun and she still insisted it was separate baggage.
It will be a different outcome at the airport. [emoji16]
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No no no they will change there mind you get to the airport and miss your flight as I did.Quote:
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I flew from NP to Christchurch with no issues but on the return because Christchurch has a bit more security they help my bags up and I missed my flight cause I didn't have ammo in an approved container and the bag with the ammo wasn't locked.
So if I was you take out the bolt lock the gun case with rifle only and put ammo in a plastic hard case and lock that in your checked in bag with the bolt.
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Travelled lots with rifles - incl AR style
Locked separate case - actually have a larger case now so can use more of the weight allowance per bag
Carried just under 5kg of Ammo in factory boxes - had bag searched that time
Found a bit of paper in the other bag - must have got a shock at so much ammo
Other than that never had a issue with air Nz
Always ring them first so notes entered into system
I rang them today and asked repeatedly what the storage system was and they insisted all in one.
I might take a lockable case for bolt and ammo just in case they change their mind.
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This from the Air New Zealand website.
Can I bring firearms on my flight?
Answer
Firearms are a sensitive item on any flight. You must tell us you’re intending to bring a firearm when you book your ticket.
Naturally, you can’t bring your firearms on board with your carry-on bags.
You can usually carry your firearms as checked-in baggage, with some conditions:
You may not be able to take your firearms to some destinations.
Your firearms need to be in a lockable firearms case.
You can carry more than one firearm in your case.
You must pack any ammunition in a different bag.
Like any other bag, your packed firearms case must weigh 23kg or less, and not exceed your size allowance. Otherwise our excess baggage charges will apply.
If your firearms bag exceeds 23kg or it’s oversize, you can either:
Buy a Prepaid Extra Bag before you travel
Pay an excess baggage charge at the airport
SHIT! never mind firearms, there is a snake on the plane~!
Bureaucrats - both private and public sector - are almost uniformly idiots. Good luck to find a sensible one. That is all.
Year this on gets old VERY FECKEN FAST!!!!
I really wish they could all just gather around the fire and sing kumbaya my lord......it’s a wonder that they can organise to put fuel in a let alone load it with passengers and get them to the right destination!
There are a few threads on this @HOO. Same story as what you have been told here. Airlines says one thing Airport security totally ignores what airline dose and will make it up as they go along. Wish I was joking but not! It’s the world over not just in little old NZ and every airport is different even in the same country.
The big sticker seems to be ammo in factory packets. Reloads can be a real problem.
By the way if you do call the airline again them to email you with there answer you then have it in writing so will have half a toe to stand on if it goes wrong. Also write down time of call and exactly who you talked to.
Dose anyone know who is in charge of airport security for the whole of NZ? Maybe we can bring them to the table and try to change this?
Good luck Hoo remember early to airport with bag full of good manners and patience
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Here ya go Hoo a little light reading:XD:
AVSEC provide security services at; Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin and Queenstown airports - at all other airports your airline is responsible for security and control of what is loaded on-board their aircraft. Domestically most problems appear to arise when departing one of the airports where security is not controlled by AVSEC (airport A) enroute to one of the airports listed above (airport B),then packing equipment (firearms & ammunition) in the same way on return but having it checked by AVSEC when departing (B). Your equipment is now subject to AVSEC's interpretation of the rules which seems to often vary with that of the airlines. In all probability AVSEC are more consistent with application of the rules as they are just about security whereas for airline staff it is just another facet of their jobs. A link and an email address below. As far as the airlines are concerned, as others have said probably best to get it in writing before you leave.
Aviation Security Service: Restricted weapons
reception@avsec.govt.nz
Yup, AvSec have the final say.
Pretty easy to travel with firearms though. No ammo in the firearm bag, no bolt in the firearm bag. There's also no need to call AirNZ before a domestic flight, just rock and politely notify them you have firearms, unloaed, ammunition is packed separately, bolt packed separately and ask for the firearms tag to sign. Keep your copy, present it at the destination to the airport luggage people, in Auckland and Queenstown it's near the over-sized luggage area.
Tag looks like this :Attachment 103880
Thanks for all the info guys. I’ll have a browse this evening.
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So after taking to both air NZ and Avsec this morning both are giving me conflicting accounts of what I need to do. Air NZ want me to keep bolt and rifle together and ammo can go in my checked luggage and they would not send me an email to confirm this. Avsec want rifle on its own and bolt and factory only ammo in its factory box together in a locked container in the checked luggage. Think I’ll go with Avsec on this one. Either way I guess I can change things around various baggage if I get there early enough to suit whichever Larry turns up on the day to make up some new rules.
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Travel plenty with firearms. The funniest things is when they say you are checking in a pistol (in a pistol sized case) and they ask if the bolt is removed................ just nold your head and carry on.
Be prepared for stupidity...
In general, firearm and ammo must be separate. Whenever we fly with rifles/pistols, we book a second bag if flying alone. If you are flying with your better half then it is easier.
Phone ahead of time and let them know you are bringing a firearm. When you check in, go straight to oversize baggage or a supervisor. They will rattle off a standard list of questions. In my experience the plastic ammo storage boxes are fine for storing ammo, just answer yes if they ask you about ammo in original packaging.
Most importantly, be prepared for your precious firearm to come out in the conveyor belt with the rest of the luggage ! I kid you not... especially in Welly. Most airports you collect at baggage services.
Flying internationally with firearms is awesome :thumbsup: You get escorted past all the queues by your own personal police officer, haha.
So after several calls to Air NZ and them insisting on having everything in one case, I took a seperate one for bolt and ammo which is what both the Air NZ staff and AVSEC wanted. Apart from that went smoothly just took a an extra half hour to check in. Cheers for the advice gents
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Got to have some fun with this then!?:wtfsmilie:
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Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I have one of those too and there is no way I'm taking the bolt out. I think the "just nod and say yes" rule applies.
Obviously you are American as can be seen from your speech impediment. The noun is Aeroplane i.e. Aeroplanes fly into twin towers. result; 4000+ better americans.Quote:
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As for the rest of your post, why would you want to double your chances of having an unusable firearm when you reach your destination?
Just had this conversation myself today with AirNZ and Avsec. Yep bolt in rifle is OK as long as no ammo is present. Avsec said they will check that the rifle chamber is empty and if the xray does not show it they will ask me to open the action.
Said that in the last 18 mths they have changed the requirements.
It was stressed that ammo must be single packed in containers and any loose ammo or even empty brass on the return trip is liable to be removed and dumped.
PLB can be packed in either carry on or stowed. Spare battery's and power banks must be in carry on.
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The strange rule that I had enforced is the one about no loose ammo/ no part empty boxes. Bit weird, but they were quite strict on it. Don't know how reloaders get on!
Also, I don't think the bolt out of rifle is a requirement. Probably just something people who know a bit about firearms involved in the process insist on.
Related story: I caught a domestic flight from CHCH to Auckland and ended up on a 747 doing the last leg of a UK to Auckland via CHCH. This meant I disembarked at the International terminal, and you just get a little card saying you don't do customs or immigration. A strange experience. A policeman stopped me in the baggage area once I had my rifle and asked to check it. Bolt in rifle wasn't an issue. This was a soft case too. It was quite a while ago so maybe some rules have changed?
I have just had my ammo asked to be inspected for the first time. Had to dig deep in the bag which was pretty annoying as running late
Seems each employee/airport runs a slightly different variant of the rules...
Yep there all singing off a different song sheet....:( even if you got it in written form of what was required the guy on the spot will still have the last say...even if what there saying makes no sense :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by LOC
Leaving Auckland on Friday morning there were no issues - the normal process was followed as described above by others.
On Monday when I visited Queenstown Airport, the rules had changed. In summary:
The normal check-in process is followed. The AirNZ staff were helpful and the documentation was completed as noted above.
Guns need to be in locked bags/cases, bolts out, ammo out. Nothing changed there.
Screening is carried out by AVSEC staff with a Police Officer in attendance.
I assume they would stop you from trying to take a MSSA if you tried to move one somewhere.
A Firearms Licence must be produced to the Police.
We were interviewed - politely... general stuff, basic info like what we'd been up to, where were we going etc.
A photo was taken of the FAL.
thanks for the feed back
Correct, be prepared for unbelievable stupidity, pack everything as per the rules, smile and be nice as the utterly dumb questions and condescending bullshit flows.Quote:
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