Yip I'd happily pay $10-$30 bucks for my 3 month doc permit, hell even more, might make me get of my arse a bit more too ;)
Yip I'd happily pay $10-$30 bucks for my 3 month doc permit, hell even more, might make me get of my arse a bit more too ;)
I’d go along the lines of $100 pa fee to hunt anywhere public land for 12 months. But until the Noxious Animal Control Act of 1953 is rescinded....not gonna happen.
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If there was a license, it might mean that there will be animals to hunt in the future. On our current trajectory, I doubt that will be the case.
Well said Woody. Can I add the following : I have been a F&G Councillor and that organisation is NOT the one to lead big game hunting, however it is a model that works to protect an introduced species group for recreational use. That protection is enshrined in law. I doubt that game fish would have been granted protection under the conservation act if the acclimatization societies were not in existence and collecting licence fees at the time the Act was written.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
We have a Game Animal Council with statutory recognition that is at risk of being dissolved. That organisation is underfunded and because of that underfunding is of limited effectiveness.
The GAC is the only organisation representing hunters with statutory recognition and therefore it is the organisation that we must get behind. Certainly we can start an online petition to keep it.
If we look into our Crystal ball of Hunting what do we see ? I see an increasing population in NZ and around the world, putting more pressure on our wild places with not only hunting but more and more bush walking tourists coming. I see a stronger and stronger green movement following on from awareness about polluted rivers, the current plastic bag campaign and the Global Warming news we see all the time. Are we likely to be looked after if we carry on with the status quo ??
Back to GAC, if right now we had 150,000 firearms owners paying a sub (licence) to GAC, would the Minister consider shutting them down ?? Everything we do in life is a form of politics, negotiations at work, with the missus etc etc. So in my opinion we need to use our collective political skills and wisdom and work out a way to counter the Ministers move against GAC. If I were the minister I would cut GAC's budget to an unsustainable level and hamstring them that way, then after twelve months shut them down.
Mate no one voted for them last time (Greens) yet they are here it,s corrupt the govt sold there sole to get into power , how a group of nutters with such a small following is basically trying to destroy peoples lively hoods and our way of life is sickening at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman
I have and will continue to support the GAC, among other groups .They have a low profile but do a reasonable amount of advocacy work for recreational hunters behind the scenes.I have recently become a member of NZDA ,due to it being the easiest way to satisfy forest company requirements, but having followed their advocacy for firearms holders and hunters in general I am somewhat dis-illusioned with their efforts to date. BUT we must support any group that promotes the continued use/ownership of firearms by individuals, no matter what discipline of gun sports they participate in, as long as no group is willing to throw another group under the bus to promote their own survival
As regards the present government, hopefully they are a single term one. Labour sold their souls to the devil when they partnered with the Greens and let list MP's become government ministers.Sage and others will f-ck this country completely with their idealistic air headed thinking if they are allowed to carry on as they are.
Sorry, rant is nearly over,but most of us spend hundreds/thousands of dollars participating in our chosen firearms discipline so get your hand out of your pocket and contribute to any of the groups that are promoting your continued right to own and use firearms in whatever sport you follow.
sage is a two faced cow full stop.shes still rabidly embedded in the twg&tweet brigade with xgreenie MP kevin hague &co -they were behind the unillateral decision re mining on the crown estate on the coast,though these socialist bastards ,herr cluck being of significance have always told coasters what to do...(.Hmmremember Pike river)
however sage furtively sneaks about a couple of mines on the coast and whoa -..."reverse the decison"-do i need hearing aids or are you a patronising bitch.
in fact an impeccaable source whispered in my ear the original decision came from the vertical human milk tanker in dorkland the one whose mouth looks like a test keyboard at a steinway factory,the same one who declares taranakis oil&gas redundant so we can keep our country green!
The concept of the GAC was originally good, but I will not donate to a group that is controlled by DoC approved appointees. The executives should be elected by hunter members and DoC can keep the hell out of interference. At the same time, the legislation must be in place to allow this structure, along with a decent portion of government funding.
Reading some of the GAC minutes it is obvious the considerable difficulty the GAC has with DOC's recalcitrance.
My personal view is that Hunters should join NZDA. They can never be disposed of by Govt, and if you read their code of ethics on what they stand for you will see they line up with majority of our views.
https://www.deerstalkers.org.nz/code...uidelines.html
Although I have disagreed with several of the comments made by the previous Nat. president in the past, instead of continuing to complain I've actually got involved instead. First with Wellington Branch, then the NZDA Heritage Trust and now as Lower North Island delegate on the National executive. The NZDA do a huge amount of lobbying behind the scenes but have struggled to get that message out to their members and hunters, so most people believe they do very little, when that is not true. They are hoping to turn that around.
The old bumper sticker comes to mind "Over 200,000 Kiwis Hunt, Fish and Vote". If we could all come together under the one banner then we'd be taken a lot more seriously by Govt with those kind of numbers. The NRA in the US comes to mind- if they don't want something to happen, it usually doesn't.
Then I believe a hunting license would not be necessary. We already pay taxes and we already pay to go into ballots. Our collective voice and voting power at election time could sort-out getting our game animals off the "pest" list and more herds of special interests could be created. The FWF has shown the way with their excellent herd management.
A good example of the influence we could have, was the recent social media back-lash against the proposed Arms Act changes by Police. The Firearms community got in the ear of a lot of politicians and got those changes marginalized.
It will always be a constant battle, but if we put the squabbling/egos aside and came together then we would be a lot more effective.
One of the ideas I'm thinking of proposing is that the NZDA makes a special low-cost membership option (and then ran an effective marketing plan to promote it) so that our "voice" would go from the current approx 8000 members to far more. It would be good to hear your thoughts on this.
-Tim
@FRST - great post, I like your ideas on NZDA membership. Keep up the good work. I recently rejoined after a 25 year hiatus but somehow my membership has lapsed again - I must remedy that.
Yeah I joined only 3-4 years ago, after years of people telling me it was a waste of time/money. They couldn't have been more wrong, but you definitely get the most out of it by what you put in. I've met some awesome characters, stalwarts a lot them, dedicated to the cause of NZ hunting.Quote:
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I'd consider joining but I think the South Auckland branch has disappeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRST
What I'm thinking though is that joining us on a cheaper rate wouldn't necessarily involve meetings or the full range of benefits, but it would put you in the loop with all our news, and you'd be counted as a member when it came to lobbying the government. Kind of like an associate member of sorts. I believe NZDA have done it before, it just wasn't marketed all that well. My intent is that we pull in as many hunters as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
I think an associate membership could be good if it includes insurance and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRST
I must try to contact them again.
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I think soon as we start paying a lot more farmers/private blocks owners will see a opportunity to tap in and make same money. Also i wouldn't be that happy to pay the same money as a overseas hunter. IF i was made to pay $100 a year they should be charging $1000 for a non nz tax payer. Even then that's not enough.
Think it was suggested in earlier posts about the GAC funding, but a voluntary donation at hunting/outdoor retailers (stores and online) when making a purchase would be simple enough. Even if a couple dollars at a time. Easier to get people to contribute when they're paying for something already rather than having to donate online etc. I'd guess a lot of people have good intentions to contribute but not the motivation to find out how.
Every hunter should be putting in for DoC permits every four months for the areas on public land they may possibly hunt. This is whether they end up visiting those areas or not. Each year, every year. It cost nothing, and is a simple way of having a voice for those not able or willing to express their concerns in other ways ( I agree with NZDA membership being the next step if financially able). It is also a requirement for hunting on public land. What sort of message would be sent if there were 250,000 hunting permits issued each year? A better message than the current stats: that most hunters trespass when they hunt on DoC estate.Quote:
Originally Posted by turtle
While I agree with that statement, it is also true that the government and it's agencies aren't dead set on exterminating non-indigenous ducks. While a hunting license wouldn't in itself bring about a change of policy, I would see it as part and parcel of deer and other large animals getting game animal status.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
@Pengy DOC are hypocrites period. They farm trout for release into the wild, fresh water ecologist tell me trout predate on native species. It's worth money, the gac is not and easy political points for the watermelon party. Talking of hypocrisy look up Eugenie Sage and water bolting plantQuote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
I think that some of the important points regarding licencing and representation are being missed.
Firstly do we want to accept the status quo with politicians deciding the fate of Big Game animals or do we see that a positive change needs to be made ?
We want a voice that has some political clout.
We need to be represented by a body that has it's status recognised in law by an act of parliament - the same as Fish and Game.
How do we achieve this ? by bringing all hunters together under one umbrella body and financing that body so that is able to represent us. The only body that has a legal recognition is GAC
Licencing does NOT mean hunting seasons or extra restrictions, it is only a mechanism to get every hunter to become a member of a universal representative body and get their name down as a member of that organisation.
There is little point in the negative writings here in this forum about the Greens, the Minister or DOC it might make the writer feel better but it does not help find a solution to what we can see coming, and it most certainly won't change anything
As a suggestion, is it possible for GAC to act as an umbrella body with associate membership of other hunting organisations like the NZDA ?
Well, they ARE Socialists. They have a deep-seated need to tell everyone how to live their lives, and control everyone, and that thing Eugenie Sage is a "green" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Gibson
There needs to be compulsion to join so that every hunter is counted as a member and contributes in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
If the Conservation Manager is axeing the GAC why would DOC have a very large advertisement on the back page of todays Otago Daily Times newspaper calling for nominations from interested parties for 5 positions on the GAC?
Something doesn't make sense to me.
Left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrel
Typical bureaucracy !
Or they havnt actually axed the gac, and are just reviewing it. Decimate cause for concern but also a bit of a case of jumping to conclusionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Frogfeatures
well the greenies should go talk to some of the polis involved in the great Canada goose massacre of a few years ago and take serious heed of the consequences.
to refresh nats were in -kate wilkinson was mummy conservation ,and david carter was min ag.
Wiilkinson in response to a very vocal minority group within FF,strips F&Gof powers to control canada geese-turns this over to D,,,O...C(anyone sense the mother of all fuckups imminent.
so a grandiose plan is hatched to cull approx33%of estimated SI candas population by a dept with a senior manager in CHCH told me personally that despite having monitoring teams at ellesmere ,they in fact had no idea of the numbers of ducks geese swans etc on ellesmere and certainly never knew of ellesmeres thriving feral goose population!
meanwhile our poli pair punch &judy set up a sop fund of $100,000.00 to carry out the massacre after katey matey potatey repeatedly told F&G there was no money available to assist with their own ongoing efforts to cull as a means of controlling numbers and in a TV interview with Rob Cope williams on CTV insisted existing law gave farmers ample means to sort out geese infestations so massacres&poisoning were off the menu finito.
interested parties including rec shooters under the so called lanauaze group aka NZGBHA requested a joint plan be deveolped to sort the issue effectively,and the apparent decision was taken for this to occur.
FUCK ME RIGID-Iget a call from a wee TV3 reporter ?did i know about a massacre of geese on lake Ellesmere-Oh shit yes it had happened in a style genghis kahna would have drooled over.lakes up &down the SI with exception of westcoast got hammered ,dead and dying birds everywhere.
lanauze &a film crew videoed the carnage on Ellesmere before a mysterious fleet of jetboat mounted persons made a very hurried attempt to get rid of the evidence.,and much the same occured elsewhere including in very close proximity to SHW73.
a membewr of this forum ,erstwhile sparring partner of mine ,raxcted like a PMT riddled rotweiller and marched into the nga mihii rd DOC HQ in CHCH demanding answers .
oh the authorising manager was on ''unspecified leave"....but .....in a stroke of karma matey brae gets given a copy of the bloody authorising documents!
youd be very suprised at some of the two faced antics of some of the main players!
however sequeale
wilkinson after being rarked up bigtime walks the plank -the geese whilst shattered root their way to recovery and become more fucking paranoid than ever ,carter lumbers on to be speaker of the house -DOC denied the $100,000.00 gift ,but then reversed their denial ,qualifying this with we dont know how it was spent or if any was spent and it all subsided back into so called normality!
I recently had a chat with a very senior DOC manager on the coast and we in the course ot talking gamebirds broached this
K dont remind me of that fuck up ....its still a bloody embarrasment..a lot of heads should have rolled.
what was interesting was Westcoast F&G refused to cooperateand NOcanadas were culled over there .4birds were found dead on lake hochstetterand the F&G manager on the warpath warned if any evidence was found linking it to the aforementioned the perpetrators would be nailed!
a westcoast chopper operator apparently put word about but was warned off.
maybe the coasters aint ever forgotten DOCs other great fuckup-Cave Creek.pity the 4 eyed git little didnt demand Sage reopen an enquiry into that tragedy.
lets face it guys DOCwith all their tertiary trained computer infested hirsuite roman sandal wearing tree huggers and shiny arsed fat bellied Biro pushers are a fucking laugh.
do not get me wrong -there are some great individuals working for that firm-ive met a few and have no truck with them,but overallthis simplistic fascination with 1080asa miracle cure is like a baby eating its own crap..bad taste allround!
as for eugenie sage &co flakier than a packet of parkdrive tobacco,couldnt lie straight in bed ,let alone when facing a voter,and a product of a rampant softcock PC world.
Brilliant post. :thumbsup:
you think good sir ,hark you are a master of the understatement.I intensely dislike govt depts that exist to pontificate to and about the conservation estate to its owners (the taxpayer ,all because a minority pressure group with delusional grandiose agendas insists all is done its way.Quote:
Originally Posted by turtle
this modus operandi ,did not swork with red deer ,through cullers helicopter shooting etcetc ,it aint working with the spitting stinking imported aussie furball (AKA jacko) but its byproduct is the inherent slaughter of other bloody wildlife just wanting to keep on keepin on.
fuck climate change -il lbe long gone and melted down when that shit occurs (if it does),and last but not least since when does a frigging teriary education overrule a lifetime of commonsense/knowledge gained by frontline service.
last but not least and thank you jacinda:P youve frozen the fat bonuses and pay increases for these shinyarsed biro pushers in the interim pity ya couldnt do the same to the polis/SABP fuckups occurring with monotonous regularity.
So Kotuku, what the great White heron sees is that the people who seek to become senior civil servants and polis are not of the practical disposition but rely on reports prepared by 'qualified' underlings behind which they can hide and blame when a decision 'pear shaped' goes.
What legal means do we have to influence the polis then ??? without copying Don Vito Corleone
presuming this is not a pisstake directed at me old chap i'llgive you an answer in one word .....VOTE..yours to be exact .If some spotty wee smurf or arthur comes to you in election year promising the earth if youll vote for them or their "outfit",be very aware chances are they'll end up in paraliment ,on a fat salary +perks paid by yours truly ,to warm a seat and be a yes man ,unless of course they display extremely ingratiating/criminal /politically correct (in a nutshell aussie type poli behaviours) traits topped of by a socialist adoration of mediocrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
allow me a couple of indulgences old chap as i reach the end of nigh on 5decades of nursing and facing the pension next year,so here goes
POLITICS -A CAREER ONE PURSUES WHEN WHO CANNOT SECURE A ROLE AS CONDOM WASHER IN THE LOCAL ESTABLISHMENT OF ILL REPUTE
THE PURSUIT OF THE FRUITLESS BY THE THOUGHTLESS IN A MANNER MOST AIMLESS
and last but not least
politicians-DO NOT VOTE -IT ONLY ENCOURAGES THE BASTARDS
imassured by a mate who roamed the beehive for a few years ,that the pom comedy yes minister was uncannily accurate!
and for your information my moniker kotuku is dedicated to my great great grandfather the first white settler in that area of the westcoast .in fact he didnt just live there he at one stage owned the whole bloody area
You can keep all your own urine thanks, I meant to extract not a drop and I certainly don't want yours down my leg (no offence) I did vote for Peter Dunn couple of elections back when he promised that if elected he would bring a Bill before the house to create the GAC. Must admit that I was personally disappointed that the United Future vote did not increase greatly, leaving me to conclude that most hunters a) didn't care b) were happy with zero influence on their sport. Anyway Peter was good for his word and did bring in the GAC as part of the UF confidence and supply agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
The more important matter than all these 'pissing into the wind' rants is: What are the solutions ??? At present we have no united voice and are, to use the colloquial 'Farting against Thunder' !!! How about a bit of Focus like a Kotuku lining up on a Kokopu ???
Hey Tim,Quote:
Originally Posted by FRST
Sounds good, but....... Fucked if I am joining Deerstalkers down here, fuckers want to charge MORE! than the regular member annual fee to join, they ( Canterbury Deerstalkers Association) clearly consider new members an embuggerance and have no interest in encouraging new membership.
I have debated this with them and they couldn't care less about increasing membership.
Maybe you could have a word..........
Maybe join another branch for a year and change to them a year later? Would that work?
feel free big fella you go for it if thats your gig .Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
me i sit back observe (as a nurse of 47yrs ive got as tad of expertise)and i realised years ago that the more humans try to make rules for every bloody situation in their lives the more foolish they look!
to wit -politicians in general are well paid fools!
I deal in what made IBM and humans a thing called a brain and looked how both have fucked planet earth.
to quote a late medical superintendent of mine in the early 70s
"until such time as level headed men can sit at a table in mutual respect and act as such no human problems will ever be solved ".
i went to school withPeter Dunne ,David Carter , both astute debaters ,quick of wit ,hence lost in the myriad of mediocrity which passes for government.
Gerry Brownleee i know as his ancestral homeland is the west coast,his whanau base not 5km from mine so when its name dropping Im as good as any!
in short i dont have any answers and even if i did youd betyour camo g string higher ups with personalised agendas or craven to vested interests would wipe their arses with my ideas. however let me assure you if .thats if i do get the bit between my teeth let no bastard stand in front cause ill roll right over the top as a few polis have found out over the years,and a few other self entitled bastards to boot.anyhow spent today with the drainlayers as our new home arises and ive just landed me another job so in short im as happy as a pig in shit! capiche:thumbsup:
This chap is way beyond f****n brilliant mate,way beyond :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
The thing is; @kotuku is telling the truth and he has a quite unique way of expressing his opinions which I find enjoyable, amusing, attention grabbing and refreshing. Every politician and person given any authority in government should be made to read and understand his posts.
Interesting DOC seeking nominations for 5 members for a 3 year term.
In the Waikato Times today and this is the link to the nomination forms
https://www.doc.govt.nz/gameanimalcouncil/
O.K, which one of you muppets took this seriously? This honestly was not my doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Projects
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-of-parliament
@Steve123 I think they meet 2nd Wednesday of the month at Papakura Rugby Club. Around 7.30pm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
I've never attended, but saw that posted somewhere on the FnH forum.
Yeah third Wed every month at Drury Rugby club. I'll go for a look next week maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
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