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I was browsing a listing for various outfitters in NZ. In part to get a gauge of the expense to hunt in NZ when I came across this listing. To say the least, I just got priced out of the fucking market! (Can you tell I am in shock?!).
I am greatly disappointed because I thought NZ would be less expensive and I was really looking forward to a hunting trip here in 2017 for the roar.
Scotty.
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Yeah mate she's not cheap down that neck of the wood that's a cheap price should start saving but I'll tell you something I can put you onto a few animals for only $50k
25k
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Apparently the first post was not such an anomaly. The price tag for 1 hunter and one "non-hunter" here is $75,000 USD.
Wow.
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Must be expensive deer collars aye...
I better win the $1.3 Billion Powerball jackpot to come to NZ.
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its only expensive if you shoot those fancy farm deer. free range public land deer are only a plane ticket away. and a bit or driving.
Holy smokes. No hunting in NZ is not that expensive. Otherwise my wife would never even let me think about it. If you are into the guided hunt type arrangement, I can point you in the direction that will be closer to $500 to $5000 depending on your needs, but hunting on public (DOC) land is free as far as permits etc and you can generally set something up no matter how large or small you budget is.
$500 will get you a one day guided hunt on private property with a refund of $300 if you dont get a deer. (I can promise you will see one, whther you see one you want to shoot there in lies the question) You get yourself to the station, and provide your own food etc. And even that is considered expensive but a lot here
If you look into what the $92k gets you, I think you will find it is not the sort of package you will want. (Helicopters, guides, 400 Stag etc and probably a luxury spa / ski lodge type accomodation and chef prepared meals.) Think 1st class aristocracy versus everyman.....
thanks guys ,there goes my 25ks haha
Like I have $25K for a hunt. Lol.
I have an 8 year old son with a learning disability who needs special education so there will be no "white glove" hunting expedition for me.
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You should be able to do a fully guided hunt on private property that would get your boy onto a deer (from a quad if need be?) for less than a grand.Quote:
Originally Posted by summitdogracing
More googling is in order and if you havent already 20pms in your in box pm me I could possibly point you in the direction of a reasonably priced guided hunt.
Vietnamcam, my 8 year old son does archery and his draw weight is barely enough for a turkey. No large mammals for him yet. Lol.
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Maybe wait another year till he can?Quote:
Originally Posted by summitdogracing
Not trying to tell you how to do your stuff but If I was to drop 20k(ha ha ha) on an overseas hunt I would rather my boy shot something than me.(my boy turns 8 in may)
+1 to this, we do guided hunts on 100% wild deer, $300 for any animal including stags, no animal no fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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I think you will find, for that kind of money, will include a chopper ride where you pick the animal of your choice. That animal is then hearded by the chopper to an easy access area that you and your son have been dropped off to. Easier than a turkey shoot
Go with Brads, shoot a wild deer not a farmed tame one; or if you need a real ego extension pay the big $$$$... It's quite simple really.
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Look carefully and you will see its for 4 stags and 4 tahr. The stags are SCI 400 +, so not your average run of the mill behind the wire BS which are about 320 - 360. And the tahr will all be with the aid of a chopper, us hunters call it helihunting, but the so called "guides" try to call it Aerial Assisted Trophy Hunting [AATH]. Clear away all the smoke and screens and its just BS, simple old BS. And the price on the document will be jacked up a bit as well to make it look good at auction so some fat useless prick will think he's getting a bargain, and he'll bring 3 other mates so they can all beat their chest's and have a pissing contest! And the $ amount is in US$ - approx NZ$144,000 at todays exchange rate.
Wonder what the cut is for the (DoC estate) or private estate owner / custodian???
I think the guides association has a bulk concession for all its members, and from memory a tahr or chamois costs $150 to DoC. Plus there is a yearly concession fee, of not much, and probably a daily fee as well. Some concessionaires I know in the tramping/biking/touring type stuff pay between $15 and $22 per person per day. And the helicopter Co has an annual concession fee as well as a landing fee per landing, $70 from memory. Trophy fees for a 400 class stag are about US$12,000-15,000, the game estate gets approx 1/2 of that [maybe in NZ$] and the "guide" or "outfitter" gets the other half, or more.
River South have now purchased their own hunting block, I believe.
Even when these various guiding crews are shooting on a game estate, they're often bringing in their own animals purchased from farms towards the end of their breeding life, or alternatively a number of farms now are specifically breeding for trophies and cranking out big numbers. $10k++ in the farmers hand for a stag is not uncommon.
The block will be stocked with a truckload or three of the big fellas shortly before the first client arrives, and will be topped up as the season progresses.
Just the way it is for paid trophy hunting.. not so much 'hunting' as entertainment for the wealthy.
and then this will happen......again......Quote:
Originally Posted by StrikerNZ
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You're looking at the big time outfitters there mate, offering a full top notch 5+star hunting package. And to be honest you can only blame rich Arabs, Americans and Europeans for driving the price for such a package up so high. At the end of the day there are people willing to pay that price, those outfitters are in business and the two work hand in hand.
I know that Leithen will offer any type of package you wish/afford-but you need to talk to them. https://www.leithenvalley.co.nz/ To be fair they are very nice people, are professional and conduct their hunting business to a very high standard. They established themselves as a hunting outfitter in NZ way back, everyone knocked them for doing so, but perseverance paid off and they now own a large chunk of the valley they live in, and can provide exceptional hunting opportunities. But as a hunter, you have to realize that the majority of their hunting packages are for people who are here to shoot a trophy animal in a short time frame, not experience the real way we kiwis hunt. Most kiwi hunters will hunt their whole life without even seeing an animal in the wild of the caliber clients are shooting on that place. I do know each year they bring some kids out from the US who for various reasons (funds,disability,etc) and circumstances may never get the opportunity, and take them hunting and fishing for a few days. Not sure how it works but I know they do it, so maybe worth an email to them?
Now if you are wanting a real deal adventure you're best to make some buddies on here, book some flights and come out. You'll get to hunt the real way, stay in a tent or hut, and see some neat country. There are some of us that could take you/guide you on private properties for a pretty fair daily fee, with a success fee to the landowner if you shoot an animal, as sometimes this is required to get onto the land we have access to. Guaranteed animals seen, and will put you in a position to take a shot on an animal. Will not be a huge 350+SCI red stag, but a real wild deer (or chamois, tahr, etc) in it's wild natural environment. Or if you are lucky you might be able to tag along for a couple of days with a local kiwi hunter for nothing, no guarantees on animals but a guarantee on a good holiday in an awesome country with amazing scenery and outdoors opportunities. And of course you will meet the odd good bastard or two.
With a bit of time here and research I would be surprised if you couldn't plan trip and come out here with your son and do a bit of hunting and a bit of fishing for less than $10,000-$15,000 flights/accommodation included.
Summit,
It all boils down to whether you want "real" hunting or "behind the fence off the back of a quad bike" hunting.
As some of the advice above shows, you can hunt NZ's PUBLIC LAND ( DOC " Dept of Constipation" does not own the land !!) for free just like us NZ'ers. However it would be sensible, as other have advised, to hire a "hunting guide" so you would have a better chance of actually seeing something AND coming back in one piece!!! Guiding fees vary a lot so shop around. Ones I know of charge from $500nz per day with extra $'s for choppers etc.
So good luck, get over here as soon as you can & experience REAL hunting.
Remember also, that with proof of firearm ownership at home you can obtain a " NZ Visitor's Firearms Licence" from the Police desk at the airport. This lasts for 12 months & allows you to purchase firearms & ammo.
I have every intention of hiring a local guide. I don't have the intention to bumble fuck around the countryside and hope to come across some game. Secondarily, I've done enough mountaineering and alpine work to know that if one if unfamiliar with the surroundings one can wind up in a bad way very easily. My end goal is to come home healthy and happy.
In regards to trophy hunting, while I wouldn't mind bagging healthy representatives of the species hunted, I have long since come to terms with having an amazingly small willy and I don't need to over compensate in other ways (although I do own an "monster truck" but that is for business purposes. [at least that's what I tell myself. Lol]).
About how much should one expect to spend on a chopper drop?
Scotty
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"I have long since come to terms with having an amazingly small willy and I don't need to over compensate in other ways"
A brother from another mother.......welcome home mate......:P
Scouser, welcome to the: "it may be small but . . .
at least it's skinny club".
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Firstly we need monster truck photos. Secondly well no monster truck photos will do :D
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Well said mate.Quote:
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Who is this guy? where is he based?Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
About how much should one expect to spend on a chopper drop?
3 people and gear can get to most places and back for about $1600. Closer places are cheaper
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Sweet.....ship that over I'll take you to my spot for free!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by summitdogracing
If only we had the car parks for real utes like that [emoji41]Quote:
Originally Posted by summitdogracing
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It's a bit embarrassing really to think that a NZ company would rip off overseas visitors with hunts like this; but who do you blame? The opportunistic guide (outfitter) or the wearily overseas client would wishes to collect a head of un-natural proportions?
It certainly is a great way to bring large amounts of cash into our country, but as we have all seen, the large amounts of cash have encouraged some pretty unethical behaviour... Greed cases pain, yet again.
I bet there's a whole lot of ticket clipping along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by craigc
They wouldn't charge it if people weren't willing to pay for it. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by craigc
I guess its also one of those perceived values type of deals
Some people who are mega rich wont go for the cheaper option even if its the exact same because they perceive it to be of more worth when you pay more.
In answer to the question posed in your headline obviously the answer is yes, because that's what they advertise and that's what people pay for four 400 plus stags and four tahr.Quote:
Originally Posted by summitdogracing
This is a 5+ star experience for a weekend jaunt in the hills for those who can drop into CHC or Queenstown in the Gulfstream V on their way back to Monaco or Geneva.
Various outfitters can pick your party up in matching Ferarris or Range Rovers from the airport.
Wives get the health spa treatment and helicopter picnic experience.
At least the customer gets what they pay for. No one is getting short changed.
Unlike some of the Kiwis that have been ripped off chasing a lifetime dream of an Ibex or Dahl Sheep hunt.
We don't even see these people, they use private lounges, and have personalized Customs clearance.
It's just dumb to assume that advertisement is reflective of the Kiwi hunting experience.
It's a ridiculous assumption to make.
I'd have to ask if in the time Mr dog racing has spent on the forum, has anybody posted their hunting experience similar to that advertised.? Short answer ..... No.
It's like me saying we can't afford to stay in London 'cause a night at the Ritz in $1600.00.
There are other options obviously.
Al I know is the OP wants to hunt NZ during the roar 2017. Wilderness ?, NI?, SI?, Species?, and starts bleating cause he sees a $95k price tag. WTF?
B ( just a tad grumpy )
My mate grows trophy stags for a living and make nowhere the money the game parks are making. Everyone in the trophy industry is clipping the ticket. Some stags could change five different owners before being shot and that's five trucking operators five vet T.B tests the list goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
And as for very rich paying top dollars to shoot our game park animals, some people have more money than time and some just can't or won't go that far to shoot or get that trophy. I know of at least 2 game parks that had over 300 350+sci stags shot last roar at $70k-$120k its a multi million dollar business.