Not at all anti trophy shooting. Just see no need for Lion,Zebra,giraffe,bear ,elephant etc Comes with age like Maca said . We ll most of us get there one day IMO. In the mean time others can control those populations and good hunting to them all!
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Not at all anti trophy shooting. Just see no need for Lion,Zebra,giraffe,bear ,elephant etc Comes with age like Maca said . We ll most of us get there one day IMO. In the mean time others can control those populations and good hunting to them all!
Each to their own, most of the big 5 not my thing but I would definately like a Cape Buff on my wall one day.
The biggest thing people not from Africa don't uderstand is that hunting is so different there, game farming is a more appropraite term. There is no public land hunting as there is here, it is all on game farms or tribal concessions, the game is counted, managed and quotas are decided on. It is generally very controlled and sustainable (not to be confused with poaching which is uncontrolled and unsustainable.) Big Game Hunting provides the US$$$$$ for poaching prevention and makes the animals valuable and worth protecting, look at what happened in Kenya once they stopped hunting, the game is stuffed from poaching.
Do people get upset because it is a lion? Why is a lion any different from any other animal we farm? I don't see these antis getting as upset about beef or sheep farming (which by the way is farmed where these other priveleged animals used to live!)
The best way to save a species is to attach a value to it, without hunting a lion and leopard are just stock killing pests with no value outside a game reserve.
Riling up the antis serves little purpose, they are generally not very rational so you cannot argue with them.
Oh, and up until 1995 lion were classed as vermin so you didn't even need a licence to shoot them! They are not endangered.
I'm of the opinion that if you're going to shoot and kill something it should be for a good reason and not just for the sake of killing it. Trophy hunting all good but would be a shame to waste the meat, don't see the point of killing something unless you're going to eat it. Unless maybe shit like goats in some areas are out of control and need the numbers thinned out and you can't carry out/eat 6 goats usually! Not sure about lions/elephants and the like eh, I don't think anybody should be hunting anything that is vulnerable/endangered or not sustainable or wasted, that's why so many people get pissed off about the helicopter hunts, 1080 and the DOC deer culling right?
she is sick.. b*t*h
At least she's out there doing it
If they are not endangered what makes them more important then any other animal?
Watch it or I'll come to Wairoa, got the permit
I only just had a quick read of the comments. Funny how any decent comment made has thumbs down. The one about her "high powered rifle" shooting from a safe distance implying she should hunt with a smaller rifle cracked me up. What a tosser
And Spook and I wish she was out there doing us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
If they are endangered what makes them more important than any other animal?
Apparently it is morally wrong to kill any animal that Disney has made a movie about....:wtfsmilie:
Who cares really, in most places they shoot lions that are passed their prime and that have fulfilled their genetic contribution. Similarly to elephant culls it's generally because there is a surplus of animals in the area and a lot of the money goes back into local starving communities. Funnily enough, the same communities that these antis are kicking up a stink about going starving are same ones making a big deal over a fucking lion. they aren't endangered as many uniformed people believe, they are listed as "Vulnerable". Which means that there is nothing wrong with the population there is just the potential for them to decrease to a point where they would be classed as "Near Threatened" which also means that they are not endangered. Again ironically this is due to the surplus of humans in these areas, many starving, many receiving support from individuals and governments who also complain about killing lions.
If antis want to make an argument, request that they use their fucking brains and get facts before kicking up a stink about an issue they have a hand in causing.
I'll never afford a lion hunt, but a lioness hunt can be done for under $10k and that's one of my life goals in hunting. And yes, it's conservation hunting!
I would like a Lion rug spread across my timber floor, it would look bloody awesome.
Jack if you really want the lion instead of the lioness then you can have it. You are a young man and have time on your side so don't limit your expectations of the future by what you can achieve today. Life changes and you could be a multi millionaire in ten years time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter
Mass media hysteria cares!:x_x:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter
I would just love to have that hunter spread on that lion skin rug...sorry, just cant help myself [I am sure rushy will defend me here].Quote:
Originally Posted by 300winmag
Imagine having that head and rack on the man cave wall...would need to be mounted high on the wall just to stop one's mates molesting it.
Spook better mounted on a couch me thinks
I've got your back SpookQuote:
Originally Posted by Spook
Lion Hunter sandwich sounds tasty
Yep that could be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
After all the hoopla, here is a reply that makes a bit of sense.:thumbsup:
In defence of a lion killer | Daily Maverick
That is a good well written article
At least thats reasoned , Well thought out and balanced .Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug
Reality is none of us here (at least the ones who have commented) really know the ecology, culture or legality of the situation over there and are predominantly basing our comments on a few articles from reporters, who by nature, will have sensationalised details and probably left out details to get their story looking attractive. Haters gon' hate! But shit son who the hell are we to dictate what's right and wrong. I'd have one of those on my wall if it was kosher with the locals, legal and wasn't endangered - just as we would be OK if a foreign hunter came and legitimately hunted one of our Red, Tahr or Chamois to have as a trophy. It wasn't a cub, it wasn't a mother feeding and it wasn't even a young male. Reality is we don't really know the full story and are being suckered but the real crooks - the media! According to the article above, the winning mix is man-led supervision, hunting culling and conservation.
"The upshot of the misinformed anti-hunting and anti-culling sentiment of the dinner party set was that an entire park ecosystem was put at risk, just to “save” a few elephants, of which there were plenty.
She's just a famous head attached to what has been happening for donkeys years with a few hick ups in the 70's.
As long a we maintain our ethics, and it appears she does too, so be it.
Long live that incredible species of big cat, and coherently, long live our God given right to hunt on this planet.
Although, as I said before, I would love to see her carry that out of the park!
That article is great Doug - cheers
Rant over.
For anyone who doesn't know. The official place to go for information on what populations of any species are doing is the IUCN, the International Union for Conservation of Nature. They have what is known as a redlist, which when you look at wikipedia for a poor example is used to give the status of an animal. Lions, interestingly are not listed as "Endangered" as the anti hunters squealing like stuck pigs would have you believe in regards to the recent Melissa Bachman lion saga. They are actually listed as "vulnerable". Further to this the IUCN redlist explains a lot of the ecology of each species and lists in these exact words:
"Trophy hunting is carried out in a number of sub-Saharan African countries and is considered an important management tool for providing financial resource for Lion conservation for both governments and local communities".
it does go on to mention that sustainable offtakes are essential for this to work effectively, but the point is there. The International body responsible for the interests of animals facing extinction admits that trophy hunting is an important management tool for lion conservation.
Give that to the next inerudite moron that comes out with some crap about how trophy lion hunting is threatening lions as a species.
Bullseye. Facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter
Thanks mate that's great.
Love how this thread is titled baiting the anti brigade. Bang on.
Sent from my Browning
I'm still laughing dundee!
Some more info;
HUNTING TOURISTS CONTRIBUTED R811 MILLION TO ECONOMY IN 2012, SAYS DEA
Vanderbijlpark, 20 November 2013 - Preliminary findings from the Department of Environmental Affairs’ latest statistics show that hunting tourists contributed R811 million (2011: R901 million) to South Africa's economy in 2012.
Department of Environmental Affairs deputy director – policy development Magdel Boshoff, speaking at the Professional Hunters' Association of South Africa's (PHASA) 36th AGM and Convention in Vanderbijlpark, said the results were still subject to an audit and verification process but no material differences were expected between this report and the final one.
The statistics were based only on species fees (the amount a hunting outfitter pays a landowner to harvest an animal) and daily rates (the fee a client pays a hunting outfitter) meaning that the total economic contribution of overseas hunters is understated. The statistics also exclude the impact of local hunters, numbering some 320 000, who hunt mostly for venison.
The top three source markets for hunting tourists were the USA followed by Denmark and Spain.
Last year, 40 866 head of game were hunted compared to 48 605 the year before. Rhino hunts showed the biggest decrease with only 52 harvests taking place in 2012 (2011: 137) and contributing R36 million (2011: R84 million) due to stricter criteria used in issuing rhino hunting permits. Lion hunts showed the largest increase with 596 lions harvested in 2012 (2011: 445) and contributing R122 million (2011: R77 million) at an average species fee of R203 000.
PHASA chief executive Adri Kitshoff said South Africa is home to 2 700 wild lions and 5 000 captive bred ones. "Our lion populations are stable. So are Tanzania's, a country which boasts 16 800 lions and where lion hunting is also permitted. The countries showing the most alarming declines in lion numbers are those where lion hunting is prohibited such as Kenya and Botswana," she said.
