Thread: Goodbye possums, rats and stoats

Originally Posted by deer243

You got one thing right. 1080 is a industry and is about alot more than just pest control or just a poison. As for a big claim the industry silences the following its not too hard to believe if you open your eyes.
Multitude of scientists.......firstly thats abit of a joke is it not.
Most comments or anything that is said in the main media is from the Governments own scientists or ones that support the 1080 industry. Just the word 1080, or poison is a struggle to be said now days on main stream media. Half the comments from so called experts are saying nothing more than crap that have no evidence that supports it or theres only one side told. Shit, they dont know how many possums there are in round about figures and claims from top scienists that 50 percent of TB invections are caused by possums.
We know thats crap as a example, but these so called scientists are nothing but paid muppets.
Forest and bird......waste of space,they fully support the 1080 ops.Them and FED farmers are big players in the political arena and the Government greases right up their arse/
DOC....Muppets of the government, they do and say as they told. you dont bite the hand that feeds you .
Politicians...Most other parties all support the 1080 industry, bar NZ first and they speak out. 1080 industry is a very big political minefield and im sure any comments are carefully worded and come from the top. no

You can't argue with that, how about you back up some of your claims?

The press doesn't really bother with anti-fluoride and anti-vaccine brigade anymore because the evidence is clear and their pseudo-science does stack up to criticism, anti-1080 is the same, nothing to do with political pressure to support a tiny industry.

Originally Posted by Savage1

You can't argue with that, how about you back up some of your claims?

The press doesn't really bother with anti-fluoride and anti-vaccine brigade anymore because the evidence is clear and their pseudo-science does stack up to criticism, anti-1080 is the same, nothing to do with political pressure to support a tiny industry.

I meant to write 'doesn't' stack up to criticism.

Deer repellant or not still kills everything that eats it.Getting sick of standing on it driving in it shooting half fucked up poisoned deer.Water full of it.Seeing dead birds every where.He'll blame it on nature Recreational huntings cruel now.HaHa well sell your rifles.

No need to apologise for being late thanks Mr Prosser. Never would have been ok.

@Woody?

Logic tells me without a huge advance in control/kill/catch/genetic science this ain't going to work, i'm no Einstein, but one of his quotations was "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe" sort of sums it up for me

Originally Posted by Maca49

Logic tells me without a huge advance in control/kill/catch/genetic science this ain't going to work

How do you propose that to happen when everyone has a tantrum at the idea of funding it?

Originally Posted by gimp

How do you propose that to happen when everyone has a tantrum at the idea of funding it?

I guess I'd do it commercially, and leave DOC out of it

Originally Posted by Maca49

Logic tells me without a huge advance in control/kill/catch/genetic science this ain't going to work, i'm no Einstein, but one of his quotations was "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe" sort of sums it up for me

I don't think anyone would disagree with that. R&D is pivotal, and that's why research funding has been tagged as a corner stone for the project. "Current best practice and methodology, plus some-thing else". Hopefully we will soon be at a stage where just one knock down with 1080 will be all that is required, and then followed up with sustainable ground based methods.

And in the longer term no 1080 use at all. I reckon it can happen. But it won't if we all remain up on our hind legs hissing and spitting out anti-everything rhetoric.

Not in my life time!! We have bagged on about 1080 for years and there's been little advance in methodology. I cannot get my brain around the fact we just randomly drop this product all over the country. People kicked up about the planes spraying Auck for fruit fly, it would happen under normal circumstances today, but 1080 really? There has to be some thing better, are we that dumb?

Originally Posted by Maca49

Not in my life time!! We have bagged on about 1080 for years and there's been little advance in methodology. I cannot get my brain around the fact we just randomly drop this product all over the country. People kicked up about the planes spraying Auck for fruit fly, it would happen under normal circumstances today, but 1080 really? There has to be some thing better, are we that dumb?

Well, yeah, we have been that dumb. No one has come up with anything more effective, cost efficient or safer yet - and that's a fact. But with money and research it need not stay like that.
I've got a blood disease that would have killed me 20 years ago, now its managed and I will die with it rather than of it. I have a lot of faith in science.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Well, yeah, we have been that dumb. No one has come up with anything more effective, cost efficient or safer yet - and that's a fact. But with money and research it need not stay like that.
I've got a blood disease that would have killed me 20 years ago, now its managed and I will die with it rather than of it. I have a lot of faith in science.

Tahr I live in a similar situation with health and a good doc and science has helped me live a normal life, but of course this science is driven by competition. I think much of that will be shut out by money on offer here, a bit govt tit and the status quo will remain.
I know a guy who developed a head trap, bio degradable, could be sized by animal, dropped from the air, killed by suffocation, non harmful to the environment, humans and non specified animals. Was deemed inhumane to use by DOC (took to long to kill, a matter of minutes.) Was sold to other countries to control snakes.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Well, yeah, we have been that dumb. No one has come up with anything more effective, cost efficient or safer yet - and that's a fact. But with money and research it need not stay like that.
I've got a blood disease that would have killed me 20 years ago, now its managed and I will die with it rather than of it. I have a lot of faith in science.

Now come on Tahr. The NZ Fur industry has been suppressed for decades. Alternative schemes for dealing with possums in particular have been mooted including at the ERMA review, the Ulva island brodifacoum poisoning debacle, forest parks, exotic forests and farms.

Common typical spin emanating from the Animal Health Board and DoC and even some complicit Regional Councils have made media claims repeatedly that 1080 is only used in REMOTE RUGGED AND INACCESSIBLE AREAS,, and we all know what bullshit this really is.

So don't try to tell us that money and research magically suddenly appearing is actually going to happen and that all the ills of past desecration of the forests by 1080 are going to go away. Cripes, they're safeguarding themselves with a 34 year (at least) buffer before being called to account. How very convenient after 50 plus years of failure and spin!.

Those of us who have been advocating for decades to have exactly that (funding and research provided and directed at using systems other than 1080) happen are for very good reason now skeptical of such comment. How come our brave innovative government is only going to contribute a fraction of what funding is required while at the same time going to continue providing over a hundred million per year to the existing failures in DoC and OSPRI?

I note that the NZ Fur Council recently offered their support to trap possums rats and stoats AGAIN, and AGAIN, asking for more allocation of DoC administered land to operate trappers in. Will DoC and OSPRI again stand in their way I wonder?

Originally Posted by Woody

Now come on Tahr. The NZ Fur industry has been suppressed for decades. Alternative schemes for dealing with possums in particular have been mooted including at the ERMA review, the Ulva island brodifacoum poisoning debacle, forest parks, exotic forests and farms.

Common typical spin emanating from the Animal Health Board and DoC and even some complicit Regional Councils have made media claims repeatedly that 1080 is only used in REMOTE RUGGED AND INACCESSIBLE AREAS,, and we all know what bullshit this really is.

So don't try to tell us that money and research magically suddenly appearing is actually going to happen and that all the ills of past desecration of the forests by 1080 are going to go away. Cripes, they're safeguarding themselves with a 34 year (at least) buffer before being called to account. How very convenient after 50 plus years of failure and spin!.

Those of us who have been advocating for decades to have exactly that (funding and research provided and directed at using systems other than 1080) happen are for very good reason now skeptical of such comment. How come our brave innovative government is only going to contribute a fraction of what funding is required while at the same time going to continue providing over a hundred million per year to the existing failures in DoC and OSPRI?

I note that the NZ Fur Council recently offered their support to trap possums rats and stoats AGAIN, and AGAIN, asking for more allocation of DoC administered land to operate trappers in. Will DoC and OSPRI again stand in their way I wonder?

Why do we have possums north of Auckland woody?

Originally Posted by Woody

Now come on Tahr. The NZ Fur industry has been suppressed for decades. Alternative schemes for dealing with possums in particular have been mooted including at the ERMA review, the Ulva island brodifacoum poisoning debacle, forest parks, exotic forests and farms.

Common typical spin emanating from the Animal Health Board and DoC and even some complicit Regional Councils have made media claims repeatedly that 1080 is only used in REMOTE RUGGED AND INACCESSIBLE AREAS,, and we all know what bullshit this really is.

So don't try to tell us that money and research magically suddenly appearing is actually going to happen and that all the ills of past desecration of the forests by 1080 are going to go away. Cripes, they're safeguarding themselves with a 34 year (at least) buffer before being called to account. How very convenient after 50 plus years of failure and spin!.

Those of us who have been advocating for decades to have exactly that (funding and research provided and directed at using systems other than 1080) happen are for very good reason now skeptical of such comment. How come our brave innovative government is only going to contribute a fraction of what funding is required while at the same time going to continue providing over a hundred million per year to the existing failures in DoC and OSPRI?

I note that the NZ Fur Council recently offered their support to trap possums rats and stoats AGAIN, and AGAIN, asking for more allocation of DoC administered land to operate trappers in. Will DoC and OSPRI again stand in their way I wonder?

Missing words from previous statements: Gravy-train, conspiracy, duplicate, lies, Graff

I'm happy to back the future vision rather than be swayed by the disaffected of the past. Truth is, the announcements on this have said that all current effective methodologies will be applied, plus new innovations arising from research. Call me mad or naive, scoff at me, but I'm not knocking it. Probably because I have no vested interest save for the preservation to the greatest extent of our biodiversity. And, I don't give a shit about the politics.