Thread: Goodbye possums, rats and stoats

Originally Posted by Maca49

Not in my life time!! We have bagged on about 1080 for years and there's been little advance in methodology. I cannot get my brain around the fact we just randomly drop this product all over the country. People kicked up about the planes spraying Auck for fruit fly, it would happen under normal circumstances today, but 1080 really? There has to be some thing better, are we that dumb?

Well, yeah, we have been that dumb. No one has come up with anything more effective, cost efficient or safer yet - and that's a fact. But with money and research it need not stay like that.
I've got a blood disease that would have killed me 20 years ago, now its managed and I will die with it rather than of it. I have a lot of faith in science.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Well, yeah, we have been that dumb. No one has come up with anything more effective, cost efficient or safer yet - and that's a fact. But with money and research it need not stay like that.
I've got a blood disease that would have killed me 20 years ago, now its managed and I will die with it rather than of it. I have a lot of faith in science.

Tahr I live in a similar situation with health and a good doc and science has helped me live a normal life, but of course this science is driven by competition. I think much of that will be shut out by money on offer here, a bit govt tit and the status quo will remain.
I know a guy who developed a head trap, bio degradable, could be sized by animal, dropped from the air, killed by suffocation, non harmful to the environment, humans and non specified animals. Was deemed inhumane to use by DOC (took to long to kill, a matter of minutes.) Was sold to other countries to control snakes.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Well, yeah, we have been that dumb. No one has come up with anything more effective, cost efficient or safer yet - and that's a fact. But with money and research it need not stay like that.
I've got a blood disease that would have killed me 20 years ago, now its managed and I will die with it rather than of it. I have a lot of faith in science.

Now come on Tahr. The NZ Fur industry has been suppressed for decades. Alternative schemes for dealing with possums in particular have been mooted including at the ERMA review, the Ulva island brodifacoum poisoning debacle, forest parks, exotic forests and farms.

Common typical spin emanating from the Animal Health Board and DoC and even some complicit Regional Councils have made media claims repeatedly that 1080 is only used in REMOTE RUGGED AND INACCESSIBLE AREAS,, and we all know what bullshit this really is.

So don't try to tell us that money and research magically suddenly appearing is actually going to happen and that all the ills of past desecration of the forests by 1080 are going to go away. Cripes, they're safeguarding themselves with a 34 year (at least) buffer before being called to account. How very convenient after 50 plus years of failure and spin!.

Those of us who have been advocating for decades to have exactly that (funding and research provided and directed at using systems other than 1080) happen are for very good reason now skeptical of such comment. How come our brave innovative government is only going to contribute a fraction of what funding is required while at the same time going to continue providing over a hundred million per year to the existing failures in DoC and OSPRI?

I note that the NZ Fur Council recently offered their support to trap possums rats and stoats AGAIN, and AGAIN, asking for more allocation of DoC administered land to operate trappers in. Will DoC and OSPRI again stand in their way I wonder?

Originally Posted by Woody

Now come on Tahr. The NZ Fur industry has been suppressed for decades. Alternative schemes for dealing with possums in particular have been mooted including at the ERMA review, the Ulva island brodifacoum poisoning debacle, forest parks, exotic forests and farms.

Common typical spin emanating from the Animal Health Board and DoC and even some complicit Regional Councils have made media claims repeatedly that 1080 is only used in REMOTE RUGGED AND INACCESSIBLE AREAS,, and we all know what bullshit this really is.

So don't try to tell us that money and research magically suddenly appearing is actually going to happen and that all the ills of past desecration of the forests by 1080 are going to go away. Cripes, they're safeguarding themselves with a 34 year (at least) buffer before being called to account. How very convenient after 50 plus years of failure and spin!.

Those of us who have been advocating for decades to have exactly that (funding and research provided and directed at using systems other than 1080) happen are for very good reason now skeptical of such comment. How come our brave innovative government is only going to contribute a fraction of what funding is required while at the same time going to continue providing over a hundred million per year to the existing failures in DoC and OSPRI?

I note that the NZ Fur Council recently offered their support to trap possums rats and stoats AGAIN, and AGAIN, asking for more allocation of DoC administered land to operate trappers in. Will DoC and OSPRI again stand in their way I wonder?

Why do we have possums north of Auckland woody?

Originally Posted by Woody

Now come on Tahr. The NZ Fur industry has been suppressed for decades. Alternative schemes for dealing with possums in particular have been mooted including at the ERMA review, the Ulva island brodifacoum poisoning debacle, forest parks, exotic forests and farms.

Common typical spin emanating from the Animal Health Board and DoC and even some complicit Regional Councils have made media claims repeatedly that 1080 is only used in REMOTE RUGGED AND INACCESSIBLE AREAS,, and we all know what bullshit this really is.

So don't try to tell us that money and research magically suddenly appearing is actually going to happen and that all the ills of past desecration of the forests by 1080 are going to go away. Cripes, they're safeguarding themselves with a 34 year (at least) buffer before being called to account. How very convenient after 50 plus years of failure and spin!.

Those of us who have been advocating for decades to have exactly that (funding and research provided and directed at using systems other than 1080) happen are for very good reason now skeptical of such comment. How come our brave innovative government is only going to contribute a fraction of what funding is required while at the same time going to continue providing over a hundred million per year to the existing failures in DoC and OSPRI?

I note that the NZ Fur Council recently offered their support to trap possums rats and stoats AGAIN, and AGAIN, asking for more allocation of DoC administered land to operate trappers in. Will DoC and OSPRI again stand in their way I wonder?

Missing words from previous statements: Gravy-train, conspiracy, duplicate, lies, Graff

I'm happy to back the future vision rather than be swayed by the disaffected of the past. Truth is, the announcements on this have said that all current effective methodologies will be applied, plus new innovations arising from research. Call me mad or naive, scoff at me, but I'm not knocking it. Probably because I have no vested interest save for the preservation to the greatest extent of our biodiversity. And, I don't give a shit about the politics.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Missing words from previous statements: Gravy-train, conspiracy, duplicate, lies, Graff

Shame on you Tahr. Somebody get out the big white hanky and the violins please

I'm happy to back the future vision rather than be swayed by the disaffected of the past. Truth is, the announcements on this have said that all current effective methodologies will be applied, plus new innovations arising from research. Call me mad or naive, scoff at me, but I'm not knocking it. Probably because I have no vested interest save for the preservation to the greatest extent of our biodiversity. And, I don't give a shit about the politics.

In other words, more smoke and mirrors

Missing words from previous statements: Gravy-train, conspiracy, duplicate, lies, Graff

Shame on you Tahr. Somebody get out the big white hanky and the violins please

I'm happy to back the future vision rather than be swayed by the disaffected of the past. Truth is, the announcements on this have said that all current effective methodologies will be applied, plus new innovations arising from research. Call me mad or naive, scoff at me, but I'm not knocking it. Probably because I have no vested interest save for the preservation to the greatest extent of our biodiversity. And, I don't give a shit about the politics.

Originally Posted by Woody

In other words, more smoke and mirrors

White Hanky??!! Surely you are not surrendering already Woody?