Is there any laws against genetic modification of animals in NZ?
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Is there any laws against genetic modification of animals in NZ?
That Maggie Barrys the sales women, just listened to her on the MH show coming to work, she stumbled along, but the one thing I picked up on is that DOC is the best in the world at killing pests, their advice is sort by other countries all over the world! Im starting to get a grip on why there are no trout in Taupo! farking DOCs in control.
Yep there are laws/guidelines to follow. Not sure exactly what they are though.
Genetic modification in New Zealand | Ministry for the Environment
I see they want a manager to run this, I nominate timeout
When asked in her interview with Paul Henry this morning Barry said she would use similar methods that had proved successful on several "now predator free" offshore islands. I think we can assume from that , that she , being "in charge" will carry on using brodifacoum and 1080 even more intensely than before. The public announcement of TV showed Gareth Morgan in the foreground and there has already been much talk about philanthropic input to the new PFNZ government company to be set up. Morgan and Smith were intensively involved in the recent poisoning of the antipodes islands using brodifacoum.
Barry claimed she was known in Parliament as "Killer Barry", the party's biggest killer. There may be an ironic and ominous prediction in that.
And I had the hots for her when she lived close by in the Wairarapa, its OK Ive already slapped myself.... twice!
Thought it was Gareth Morgan that I saw, he has friends with deep pockets so what do they want in return?
Sums up my thoughts exactly, thanks Mr Prosser Predator-free NZ could be Pandora's box | Voxy.co.nz
Bordering in irrational? It's getting your gear off, diving in and going for a swim in irrational.Quote:
"No human society in history has succeeded in exterminating the rat, and it is highly unlikely that we will be the first. The intention is so unrealistic as to be bordering on the irrational.
No human society has succeeded in eliminating cancer, we shouldn't bother giving it a go
Richard Prosser is a moron hth
They'd have to get rid of cats too then
25th July 2016
To; The Right Honourable John key; Prime Minister of New Zealand
and: The Honourable Maggie Barry; Minister of Conservation.
Subject. Requests under the Official Information and Ombudsman’s Acts about your collective public broadcast announcements:
VIZ: John Key
25 JULY, 2016
New Zealand to be Predator Free by 2050
Prime Minister John Key has today announced the Government has adopted the goal of New Zealand becoming Predator Free by 2050.
“While once the greatest threat to our native wildlife was poaching and deforestation it is now introduced predators,” Mr Key says.
“Rats, possums and stoats kill 25 million of our native birds every year, and prey on other native species such as lizards and, along with the rest of our environment, we must do more to protect them.”
Mr Key says these introduced pests also threaten our economy and primary sector, with their total economic cost estimated at around $3.3 billion a year.
“That’s why we have adopted this goal. Our ambition is that by 2050 every single part of New Zealand will be completely free of rats, stoats and possums.
“This is the most ambitious conservation project attempted anywhere in the world, but we believe if we all work together as a country we can achieve it.”
The Government will lead the effort, by investing an initial $28 million in a new joint venture company called Predator Free New Zealand Limited to drive the programme alongside the private sector.
This funding is on top of the $60 to $80 million already invested in pest control by the government every year and the millions more contributed by local government and the private sector.
Predator Free New Zealand Limited will be responsible for identifying large, high value predator control projects and attracting co-investors to boost their scale and success.
The Government will look to provide funding on a one for two basis - that is for every $2 that local councils and the private sector put in, the Government will contribute another dollar.
“This ambitious project is the latest step in the National-led Government’s commitment to protecting our environment.
“We are committed to its sustainable management and our track record speaks for itself.
“This includes the decision to establish the world’s largest fully protected ocean sanctuary in the Kermadecs, better protection in our territorial sea and our efforts to improve the quality of our fresh waterways.
“We know the goal we have announced today is ambitious but we are ambitious for New Zealand.
“And we know we can do it because we have shown time and again what can be achieved when New Zealanders come together with the ambition, willpower and wherewithal to make things happen.”
• John Key
• Prime Minister
More specifically we request under the aforementioned Acts detailed validated technical and scientifically valid survey data and statistics proving the following claims made by you. Q1 and Q 2.
Q1 “Rats, possums and stoats kill 25 million of our native birds every year,
Q2 Mr Key says these introduced pests also threaten our economy and primary sector, with their total economic cost estimated at around $3.3 billion a year.
3 With regard to the following statement " The Government will lead the effort, by investing an initial $28 million in a new joint venture company called Predator Free New Zealand Limited to drive the programme alongside the private sector."
Q3a Please detail the names of the owners and directors of this company
Q3b Please confirm this company will be subject to the OIA and Ombudsman's Acts and subject to scrutiny by the Auditor General.
Q3c Please confirm that the staff, directors and contractor to this company will be subject to the NZ Civil / Public Service Codes of Conduct.
4 With regard to the following statement: " The Government will look to provide funding on a one for two basis - that is for every $2 that local councils and the private sector put in, the Government will contribute another dollar.
Q4a Many New Zealand residents are already under financial stress, and in particular superannuitants and beneficiaries. What provision will you make to ensure increased expenditure by Regional and Local Councils do not financially impact on these persons in the form of any increase in rates or other levies?
Q5 What guarantees will you provide to ensure the rights of private property owners and occupiers are not encroached upon by this scheme including the right to refuse access and to refuse the deposition of poisons such as 1080 and brodifacoum on their property?
Q6 What guarantees will you provide to ensure the rights of private property owners and occupiers are not encroached upon by this scheme including the guarantee of safety of animals pets and stock?
Q7 What guarantees will you provide to ensure the rights of private property owners and occupiers are not encroached upon by this scheme including a guarantee of nil pollution of water supplies for domestic, irrigation and animal use?
Q8 What guarantees will you provide that game animals, including deer, chamois, tahr, wildfowl, trout, birds and fish and the management as assets of these creatures will not be negatively impacted by this proposed scheme.
Q9 What guarantees will you give that indigenous flora and fauna and marine flora and fauna and fresh water will not be negatively impacted upon by this scheme.
Q10 What guarantee will you provide ensuring the rights of free access to public lands and waters will be maintained at all times?
Q11 Will you guarantee full and regular public reporting of fiscal and physical activities of the PFNZ LTD company and " the scheme" with an annual review of whether the concept should or should not be continued?
Q12 While we (NZWBM) agrees that the elimination of rats, mustelids and possums is desirable we also believe feral cats and rabbits should be included. However, we feel bound to point out that rabbits have been targeted for several decades and in fact were the reason 1080 poison was first mooted and used in NZ. Despite over 50 years of use of 1080 poison the rabbits, stoats, ferrets, weasels, polecats, cats and possums are still with us and it is notable that rabbit in particular, which inhabits much more open and accessible terrain than deep bush has failed to be eliminated by 1080 poison and shooting and trapping as well as numerous other poisons such as strychnine and introduced disease such as the coleisii virus.
The failure by all current and past means of controls to eliminate the feral rabbit is a clear indication of the very unlikely prospect of this scheme to succeed unless a completely new methodology is adopted. It is also a clear indication that the directions currently taken by DoC and the AHB / TBFree NZ LTD is inherently flawed and is not working anywhere nearly as well as is claimed.
It may in fact be worthy of your serious consideration to substitute the current per hectare costs of aerial poisoning which are audited at $57 per hectare (2010 AHB review audited costs) with applying those funds to trapping of various types immediately. This will have a better chance of achieving TB Free objectives and environmental gains than persisting with mass poison application. It would also relate more appropriately to your present aspirations for a predator free NZ.
Q 12a Would you be prepared to discuss this view with us?
Excellent effort Woody. I really hope you get some intelligent answers, but I have huge doubts on that one.
"They" ( ie govt & DOC & public service gravy train) are delusional. Irradicating the 3 named pests across all of NZ is simply impossible - regardless of whether they use chemical or biological "weapons" or all the above.
Rodents are designed by nature & evolution to survive. And as some one mentioned above, just look at rabbit example. Even after a biological control like calicivirus as well as shooting & poisoning the rabbit population remains very healthy.
So if we accept for a moment that the desired outcome "predator free", while lofty & applaudible, is "dilusional" then you have to ask the bigger question ..... why ?
Why has this issue suddenly been lobbed into the political landscape by reputedly intelligent human beings ? and who stands to gain from it ? and why ?
Politicians want a distraction from the real issues that confront our country and economy.
There is an election in 18 mo time ..... & just like the flag debate issue, Key wants people & the media talking about peripheral stuff, not core issues.
And no, I don't think the pink lot or the green lot are any better - they are worse. Just pointing out that Key knows how to manipulate the press.
And Winston just goes after any short term emotive issue to get himself re-elected. Don't expect him to do ANYTHING constructive or positive once elected.
What concerns me more, is the DOC and other civil service gravy train leaches that have their noses in a well paid trough, with no intention of ever taking them out !
And that goes to the 1080 factory and $$ that flow from that as well.
And with ZERO accountability to us tax & rate payers.
We need some decent investigative journalism to ask the really tough questions & expose the scam at all levels for what it is.
Like the questions Woody has posed above.
Trouble is the "journos" these days seem to be employed as "eye candy", & ability to generate "click bait media", not for any intelligence or substance.
Yeah it sounds a bit like a ploy to get or stop fringe voters from voting green.
A biological solution thru GE might heavily reduce them but I seriously doubt you'd ever eradicate them, once the mice & rats are gone what are the feral cats going to concentrate on eating? Birds, so the cats need to go as well, I'm happy to do my part & hereby volunteer to start with my neighbors cats as soon as Maggie gives me the go ahead!
How about a Brodie drop over Auckland to start with :D
Possums are already targeted by OSPRI and they have rights of entry on private property whenever they feel like invoking their powers under the Biosecurity Act.
This "new" ploy is intended to cover ALL of New Zealand, yours and my lands.
I would advise you to sit up and pay close attention to what these people and government minions really intend.
What a fantastic cash cow, pledging to eradicate something that can't be eradicated. And making the public think they are doing it in the name of the greater good! I need to get into this poison business :)
How are they going to eradicate rats etc when pests keep entering the country.
Look at those poor bastard pea farmers. Shut down for 2 years because of a weaval.
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So, for every two dollars local councils and private sector put in, the gvt puts in 1$.
As council money is public money from tax payers anyway, we tax payers put 2$ in and the private sector puts in 1$, does that sounds logical?
Now , how a private company is going to be able to get funded? I know g Morgan and his mates could be generous, but they are still here for business and having some kind of returns. So unless it is donations from NZ public or separately funded by gvt I can t see where money would come from.
Now if there was a bounty on rats, stoats, hedgehog , possums...etc. that would better motivate the population to act and be better for economy. At 1$ a possum, those 28 millions would help to eradicate almost 1/2 of the population. Say $2 a stoat, because they are doing a lot of damage and are not that easy to catch. 1/2$ a hedgehog , and 1$ for ten rats. Cats would be free :-) at least it would be good money to would get back into the economy specially in the rural areas.
Because I can see that predator free company being created, and spending their first $10 millions on iPhones, flash Utes , computers and all the administrative shit before they have killed a single rat.
Politicians genuinely believe that they're here to save ourselves from ourselves. If you don't agree with what they say, you're treated as an idiot.
Considering they are our employees, the ambiguous morals and high sense of entitlement is pretty shit tbh.
My thoughts after a few days to sink in. Administration costs will take most money available. Then I read Morgan expert on all, farcebook stuff on the subject. Charge the tourist a levies when they come here, then the penny drops for me. Tourist in the bush near you and hairy arsed hunters need to stay home so they will kill deer ect as a buy kill with 1080. The mono rail to the fiords will raise its head again soon. Then all decent patches of bush will have some form of quick access. The rich just don't spend shitloads for no return and the tourist dollar is easy pickings. Local councils / government on the other hand spend up bigtime with no thought of where the money comes from. DOC love tourists and if you don't believe it just check out how many idiots are choppered off the Tongariro crossing wearing jandals shorts and singlet cos the sun was shining when we set off. Best thing the hunter can do is run bear grills type tours. Eat you own shit, drink you own piss tour, or is that a stag night I cant remember.
Have been at a block that has not had poison ever, but the odd trap has been set. The possums were numerous, running up the road in, hear them around the dwelling at night. The Tui's and Pigeons and other birds were also there in great numbers also. Confusing.
Nothing confusing about that. Years ago before numerious 1080 drops areas had heaps of possums, rats and heaps of birds. After 1080 the same areas had little to no possums, still rats and fuck all birds.
Private blocks that have refused 1080 drops or poisons still have plenty of possums, rats etc but have birds in numbers 3 times that of a 1080 block a few kms down the road. Thats real facts, ive seen it , been there done that so i have always believed 1080 is doing more harm than good in many places.
A real eye opener will be when we head back to the cobb valley after the second 1080 drop.
After going there for the first time earlier this year after its first 1080 drop the bird numbers were huge compared to the dead zones im used to hunting. Of cause what were the bird numbers like before the drop?
Nearly certainly at least as much if not more as it was to short a time frame after the drop for any reduction in pest numbers to have a effect on bird numbers. (only be deaths due to 1080) But pass experience in 1080 areas that get done more than once the bird numbers drop right off and never recover from the pre 1080 . Im betting without a doubt the bird song will be greatly reduced in the COBB from this second drop, maybe never to recover if continued drops of 1080 carry on as part of the next wave of BS that is pest free NZ
@Woody
Impressive missive mate.
The questions you're raising, are questions that our 'independent' press should be asking!
Not one TV/radio/ newspaper interviewer has raised these very concerning points - other than to pat JK on the back for his 'green' posture.
The bounty for pests used to work back in the day for deer, possum and pigs.
When the bounty was withdrawn, due to increasing costs, this money appears to have been diverted into 1080 application.
Now, as previously pointed out, the public with all the increasing costs of 'surviving' in our modern environment, are being called upon to fund a scheme that reeks of 'payback' for support of a select group of pollies.
In view of the already fierce opposition from owners/breeders/lovers of the 'humble, non-violent moggy' to being classified in the predator group, it's up to the of us who have seen, heard about or know of the damage committed by predators - some of whom I personally was unaware are such - to start sending photos of the cannibalism exhibited by rats, hogs, mice, etc., to our uneducated press.
There are some fine examples of photos within this, and other forums and elsewhere within the hunting/fishing/shooting community, that need to be forwarded - post haste - to raise awareness of what you all know.
Cheers
Well WallyR, when it comes to 1080 theres no índependent press". Im sure the word 1080 must be banned on main stream tv. News items will hardly ever mention it anymore, even the word poison seems to be a hard word to say in any news item to do with pest control. Questions that are put to MPs or the PM are very carefully worded and are very unlikely to ask the hard questions, only postive feedback is aired.
One would think with such a debate on 1080, pest control and two different sides going hammer and tongs against each other they be plenty of Docos,news stories for and against if it was truely freedom of speech on the airwaves. I dont see it, unless its a postive take on it without mentioning the word 1080, poison, anything negitive its sweep under the carpet.