Guns in Laos

Came across a hunting party this morning ...

The four guns are what are called bird guns and used for hunting birds and small game... all home made

One was a flintlock one appeared to be a 22 although I am unsure where the ammo comes from as it is illegal in non govt hands.

The LPDA guys tote SKS autos... a Chinese variant.

I have posted picures of the game in the food section.

I really wanted to handle them and could have asked or bought a shoot, however with the LPDA on hand it would have been a situation that could well have seen me in trouble.

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This just shows the futility of firearms laws! It is interesting that the long one with the light coloured stock has an SKS trigger mechanism.

How long are those barrels? Could poke a bird out of the tree :D

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Originally Posted by Gibo

How long are those barrels? Could poke a bird out of the tree :D

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Had to be 5 feet... only the one was a muzzle loader

So I am working in Laos at the moment on a gold exploration gig. Where abouts are you based? Pm if you like.
I come across the homemade shotgun variant most days with the locals we work with. The LPDA based at the mine and at some of the villages near the Veitnam border are using chinese ak47s.
Black market price for an ak is about $50 usd.

what is LPDA

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Originally Posted by paddygonebush

Black market price for an ak is about $50 usd.

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In what condition?

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what is LPDA

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Lao Peoples Democratic Army

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What about the gold ?
Paul and Kelly

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You snooping around here as well.... ?

Sorry Business confidential.....

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So I am working in Laos at the moment on a gold exploration gig. Where abouts are you based? Pm if you like.
I come across the homemade shotgun variant most days with the locals we work with. The LPDA based at the mine and at some of the villages near the Veitnam border are using chinese ak47s.
Black market price for an ak is about $50 usd.

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PBM Mining.... see the patch on my pocket.....PKM and BHX mines... You?

looks like they have been playing Fallout 4 on playstation 4 in real life

What are they cooking.....?

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What are they cooking.....?

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http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...90/#post590602

KSO, doing an exploration contract here working for an aussie company

Hungarian AMD-65 one of the local militia boys was carrying that I had with me one day. Apparently for my protection from "tigers". Reality was because we are close to the Vietnam Border and they are dodgy af.

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Is that a Hungarian ak 74 u?

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Hey PaddyGB my daughters are in Vietnam at the moment, heading for Laos. If you see a couple of kiwi twins say gidday.

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Just finished 10 weeks straight of work running around the jungle looking for gold and am flying out of Vientiane today.
Let them know if they want to know anything I am more than willing to answer a few questions. As a start, Vang Vieng is always good for a party, the view points is well worth it on sunset as are the swimming holes, bit cooler at the moment though. And Luang Prabang is worth checking out especially Kuang Si waterfalls. Vientiane only needs 2-3 days max for everything. The Gibbons experience is good just tell them to check their knots and carabiners. A guy got killed on it earlier this year.

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Is that a Hungarian ak 74 u?

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Hungarian AKM copy @Beavis ?? Potentially this one was a Chinese copy of the Hungarian AKM copy. Not sure. Was to busy looking at rocks most of the day and yelling at the militia guy to keep it pointed in a safe direction and to stop playing with it. Ended up confiscating the magazine at one point and taking it off him to make sure it was clear. Muzzle control isn't in their vocabulary.

Looks like an AMD 65 without the autistic vertical grip. I don't think the Chinese copied that pattern but I could be wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD-65

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Looks like an AMD 65 without the autistic vertical grip. I don't think the Chinese copied that pattern but I could be wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD-65

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My comment regarding possible chinese copy is due to everything here is virtually a Chinese copy. I very much doubt some conscript in the middle of the back blocks would be running around with a Hungarian manufactured AKM. The black market AK's for $50 USD are Chinese and typically never cleaned, bit rusty and the laminate needs a sand and oil. Ammunition is never one brand but an assortment.
Though I did find a cardboard box of CCI 22lr like 3 hrs up a stream at one point. But I know that one of the villagers from the local village down stream has a Norinco single shot bolt 22lr. Obviously it goes without saying that having firearms over here is illegal. Unless you are the Army...

@paddygonebush have you read the book gold rush? English writer. Good read he was in Laos in the 1990s and writes about it.
Have a look.

Very interesting.

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Interesting thread. I live and worked there a few years ago - field work in every province except Phongsaly & Huaphanh. I was based in Vientiane.

Noted plenty of guns around the villages, even the odd 1911. If you have $$ over there, you can pretty much get anything.

I've seen trail cam footage from WWF of tigers in North East provinces but mostly hunted out like most of the wildlife

If you get a chance head out to the Vientiane shooting federation, from memory it was a fair way out of the city.

I know a few Laos, given their drinking habits it must get quite interesting with guns around.

Spent a lot of time in Laos,and saw a lot of Chinese knockoffs.....paddy,...I flew in a bunch of yanks,they were contracted by the Laos Govt to take water samples of the Mekong,they had a lot of equipment.Met them back in ho chi min a few weeks later,had a chinwaggle with them about the water quality,they said it was off the scale.

The surprising revelation from them was the amount or arsenic and other deadly chemicals,in the water,used in illegal gold mining operations that locals had set up,.....care to comment on that,??,never actually saw any myself,and tramped all over the place.Interested to hear your thoughts on that.

The yanks told me the water (Mekong)was very polluted,even the so called “clean” water had sizable amounts(ppm)of excessive chemicals.I managed to get crook a few times over there,.....could shit through the eye of a needle at 20 paces and not even touch the sides,all due to water contamination

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This just shows the futility of firearms laws! It is interesting that the long one with the light coloured stock has an SKS trigger mechanism.

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@gundoc

Yes, total gun control does not work, as simple guns are... simple! You can't eradicate knowledge of how guns work.

Interesting, with real "long guns" sights are unnecessary. More to the point, relatively quiet too.

About "banning all guns", here's about the simplest breech loader you can think up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8cWsjnSAc4

For NZ minimum length read 30 inches -- unless, of course, you're a criminal.

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@gundoc

Yes, total gun control does not work, as simple guns are... simple! You can't eradicate knowledge of how guns work.

Interesting, with real "long guns" sights are unnecessary. More to the point, relatively quiet too.

About "banning all guns", here's about the simplest breech loader you can think up:

For NZ minimum length read 30 inches -- unless, of course, you're a criminal.

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Yep! I made one similar except it had a screw-locked breech and a simple spring-loaded firing pin. It was made in less than 1/2 an hour from standard pipe fittings and was used in a court case a few years ago. I fired it several times and it is now gracing the office wall of a well-known firearms dealer.

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Yep! I made one similar except it had a screw-locked breech and a simple spring-loaded firing pin. It was made in less than 1/2 an hour from standard pipe fittings and was used in a court case a few years ago. I fired it several times and it is now gracing the office wall of a well-known firearms dealer.

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@gundoc

Have occasionally mused over making one myself, in 410 g to be safer with the pressures. Would have a very small footprint in the gun safe and provide a potential use for my .303 splitneck cases. The main challenge is a simple safety, since a complex safety defeats the idea of the simple build. Of course, "Don't load until ready to fire" does meet that requirement... o-:>

Anyway, I'm curious, what did your half-hour Sumpak get used to illustrate to the Court?

It was used to illustrate a point in a case that was brought over the theoretical 'manufacture' of a firearm by converting a blank-firing pistol. The Police were concerned that such 'pot metal' things could be converted to fire live ammo. My water pipe gun was to demonstrate how easily almost any innocuous thing could become the basis of a firearm with the appropriate basic skills and knowledge. I also pointed out to the judge that I could convert the tubular steel witness chair into a 'multi-barreled firearm' in less than an hour.

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It was used to illustrate a point in a case that was brought over the theoretical 'manufacture' of a firearm by converting a blank-firing pistol. The Police were concerned that such 'pot metal' things could be converted to fire live ammo. My water pipe gun was to demonstrate how easily almost any innocuous thing could become the basis of a firearm with the appropriate basic skills and knowledge. I also pointed out to the judge that I could convert the tubular steel witness chair into a 'multi-barreled firearm' in less than an hour.

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@gundoc

LOL. The judge from that day noticed that chair every time he looked in that direction, I bet. Life could never be the same again... unless of course they got in a replacement wooden witness chair.

Yes, I recall the police arms code had a rather strict view of what was a firearm, something like basically anything that could be converted into a firearm. A heck of a lot of discretionary power of interpretation that would give the police if that was law.

Back over 20yrs ago, my brother had a Beretta M9 lookalike 8mm blank firer. Pretty sturdy metal built it appeared. Only used for blanks. He must have fired less than 100 blanks before its receiver cracked just to the rear of the barrel, crack going diagonally downward and back on the left hand side. Yes, looked impressive, but pot metal all the same.

That said, have heard of some PPK 8mm blank firers being converted in the UK to fire steel ball bearings, there was actually a setup who had done about 50 of them and selling them on -- and that in a country where the punishment for getting caught doing that sort of thing is ... hefty. Two UK cops actually visited the original ?Italian blank firer manufacturer and asked them to stop exporting the particular blank firer to the UK. No overt threats made, but they listened. Can't really see the crap things firing anything stronger than .25acp. We've all heard .25acp can be stopped by a winter coat, but few wear heavy woolen overcoats these days... )-:

Not Beretta M9, but M92

Not Beretta M9, but M92.

Anyway the fact that blank firers CAN be converted to fire some form of live rounds, is of course not the point. The point is that, though it can be done it is difficult to do, and rare. As such, a law (or policy) targeting blank firers is ineffective at crime prevention.

Similar, the US federal judge who granted a recent legal stay on a California ban on >10 round AR mags, noted for instance that at a recent shooting no-one sought to rush the shooter when he swapped magazines. Limiting him to 10 round mags (if one could have done so) would have made no difference.

@7mmwsm @LBD

That is on track in fairness.

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Sorry to go off track again. But my kids are in Laos and have asked if anyone knows some sights to see, things to do in the south of Laos?
Thanks
Jeff

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Plain of Jars, 4000 islands, Luang Prabang-Kuanga Si Waterfalls, Vang Vieng (party), Vientiane (all the museums have a very interesting communist slant on them). They could also to the "The Loop" scooter ride.

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Sorry to go off track again. But my kids are in Laos and have asked if anyone knows some sights to see, things to do in the south of Laos?
Thanks
Jeff

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South Of Laos... pop over the border to Seim Reip and check out Ankor Wat...

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Spent a lot of time in Laos,and saw a lot of Chinese knockoffs.....paddy,...I flew in a bunch of yanks,they were contracted by the Laos Govt to take water samples of the Mekong,they had a lot of equipment.Met them back in ho chi min a few weeks later,had a chinwaggle with them about the water quality,they said it was off the scale.

The surprising revelation from them was the amount or arsenic and other deadly chemicals,in the water,used in illegal gold mining operations that locals had set up,.....care to comment on that,??,never actually saw any myself,and tramped all over the place.Interested to hear your thoughts on that.

The yanks told me the water (Mekong)was very polluted,even the so called “clean” water had sizable amounts(ppm)of excessive chemicals.I managed to get crook a few times over there,.....could shit through the eye of a needle at 20 paces and not even touch the sides,all due to water contamination

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@A330driver the stories i could tell. I don't really want to respond to this on a public forum given that we are currently still doing some work and trying to get another contract through the client. If you are interested pm me.
Regarding getting crook guts. That was weekly to fortnightly. There is a saying "It is a brave man who farts in Laos". Let's just say I am a bit gun shy even being back in NZ/Aussie...

Yeah mate ..I get it... will PM you....wasn’t trying to bait you but it’s so fucking bad I don’t know how they live with themselves