Thread: Help Stop 1080, please sign

If you are on the fence then watch this video.
https://youtu.be/yQRuOj96CRs

The alternatives to 1080 and similar pousons do exist and are economic and more effective. The excuse of cost is bs! I happen to know where about a billion $$ is currently being misspent and would be better invested in trappers. The smoke and mirrors around our firearms; the Pike Mine disaster are just two examples of the same bs used by DoC and MAF/MPI/AHB/OSPRI/West Coast Regional Council et al to Not employ the alternatives or be reasonable or transparent. The same s--t methods have been used to further 1080 poison use as you now suffer at the hands of Ardern, Nash, Cahill et al.

Originally Posted by Woody

The alternatives to 1080 and similar pousons do exist and are economic and more effective.

What are they? Im sure the majority of NZ will get right behind it if it is more economic and effective.

Originally Posted by Mr Browning

What are they? Im sure the majority of NZ will get right behind it if it is more economic and effective.

The various forms of traps, trapping and target specific baits like ferratox have been well documented and costed over more than a decade. The under utilisation of these methods is down to preservation of bureaucracies by those bureaucracies; the money trail within the 1080 manufacturing and distribution industries, the rabid fanatcism of extreme greens who want all introduced wild animals and fish and birds gone, the subsidising of private farms and forests pest control by taxpayer funding of OSPRI and DOC on the pretext that possums spread TB along with the cover-up of the true cause , namely piss poor adherence by farmers of the NAIT and other stock movement controls along with poor unreliable TB testing of cattle, the deliberate misinformation via media to the public from all those sources AND the blind ignorance of parliament to the actual truths of the matter. Along with the above, there had been suppression and greed within the private sector possum fur and skin trappers themselves partly caused by DoC and OSPRI conttol and restrictions of trapper access to all possible areas.
In short; a long term mismanagenent of the potentially best long term solutions that has been collectively created by several interrelated human foibles not the least of which are chicanery and greed.
I am not going into the intimate details as these would fill a small library but if you search the web for other than the fanatical crap written by both sides I am sure you will see the truth of the matter. The solution is simple but unfortunately the authority to implement the solutions elude me and others like me.

Originally Posted by Mr Browning

What are they? Im sure the majority of NZ will get right behind it if it is more economic and effective.

Not if it involves firearms use I suspect.

Problem with trapping is it is a higher manpower option. More people at work getting paid. For mass poison dumps the profits will be concentrated in fewer hands.

I am personally not that worried about totally inaccessible areas. Leave them aside for now, we'll get to them eventually.

Originally Posted by Cordite

Problem with trapping is it is a higher manpower option. More people at work getting paid. For mass poison dumps the profits will be concentrated in fewer hands.

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i was gonna say the "more people at work getting paid" should fit with this govt socialist policies......but then i remembered reading a book at school called "Animal Farm" (probably banned from schools now) it was directly based on post revolution russia and its socialist ideology......needless to say the elite get richer and more powerful while the worker peasants get .....well fucked over.
so the poison dumps seem to fit better with a socialist govt when we talk money and profits

Well I’ve signed it.

1080 has become a self-sustaining industry with too many interested parties to want to give it up. The argument that there are no viable alternatives is often wheeled out, but all it proves is that there has been woeful investment in developing targeted, more humane options. Biological controls specific to rats, possums etc? What about poisons specific to those critters too? Indiscriminate poisoning in the hope that only the good stuff will come back doesn’t sit well with me. I would also like to be able to hunt with my dog without the worry that she might not come home with me.

The 1080 argument (its rarely a debate) is a divisive one: its like region, with those who believe and those who don’t. I think most if not all of us can agree that we want rid of rats, stoats, possums, mice etc, but we need a more intelligent approach to get there. 1080 isn’t going to do it by 2050 and there will be huge collateral damage along the way.

Originally Posted by scotty

i was gonna say the "more people at work getting paid" should fit with this govt socialist policies......but then i remembered reading a book at school called "Animal Farm" (probably banned from schools now) it was directly based on post revolution russia and its socialist ideology......needless to say the elite get richer and more powerful while the worker peasants get .....well fucked over.
so the poison dumps seem to fit better with a socialist govt when we talk money and profits

The issue we are dealing with is primarily one of distraction, dissipated energies and an unwillingness to take on responsibility.

The government or for that matter any administrative body is operating at our behest which is to say we are the government, governments and our representatives are voted in and out and there are established and enshrined avenues for us (even as individuals) to influence the out come of current policy if we choose to take action and become involved (a democratic process of sorts) - adopting a position of entrenched and childish objection to a perceived 'position' the government may be habitually and cynically therapeutic for those who have chosen or built that out look but it results in not only a waste of their time and effort (such as it is) but is a cop out. Moaning and wining that it's "them", "they doing it all wrong", "they're out to get us" etc etc is a piss weak way to do anything and of course you don't have to take on any personal responsibility for anything at that level cause "they're spposed to fix it".

At least the fella who started this thread has the nuts to do something and that's important, he's involved, he's doing his bit - I don't need to agree with his current position within the debate to applaud and respect that. I would love to see that energy focused towards working on a solution that would free us from 1080 and I suspect he would as well.

Finding yourself in a continual position of objecting to what ever it may be no matter which side of the political spectrum you sit in is itself wearing and I have found that the best way forward is simply to do something. Something active, something positive and in a creative rather than a negative mode. It's simply easier and produces results and also may inspire those around you.

Demonstrated so apparently here - attempting to mold information to promote your own outlook is a waste of our time and energies. Do the research, understand the topic - then your input is worth while. Orwell's superb piece was a balanced criticism of both socialism and capitalism and he was perhaps ultimately reflective upon 'the human condition'.

The debate around 1080 is a passionate and emotive one, and it should be as we all care about the outcome but harnessing emotion at the expense of peer reviewed hard data ... actually as I'm writing this I've realised that it may not be all negative as it's probably one of the most transparently rediculous aspects of the ban 1080 argument that it's a fairly quick way of assessing the validity of that stance for most who 'drop in' to check it out but may not have the time or inclination to research it fully.


Since I'm now officially an old cunt I can see that there are younger generations who were not lucky enough to experience the bush and the hill in a less predated state, where bird life was significant and there's no way I can describe that deafening dawn chorus - you have to experience it - I need to do what I can to restore. it.

Originally Posted by Woody

The alternatives to 1080 and similar pousons do exist and are economic and more effective.

Okay I'll ask. You say there are alternatives to 1080.
What are the alternatives?
How well do they work?
What do they cost?


For the uneducated like me please include the references to the studies you are basing your information on. THANKS

Is there a way to sign online ?

The subject has been done to death

Originally Posted by Backcountry Bob

The subject has been done to death

and far far beyond, even

Me myself and I can still not grasp what I have seen and still witnessing.. the devastation the poison crew are leaving in their trail.
And what shocks me more is the amount of people who still can not see through the fog. Sadly these people are incapable of doing so or have a vested interest.
Good luck there Gkp

On the radio today...Auckland is experiencing a rat plague.....not one mention of 1080 WTF

Blanket that city with baits from the air loaded with poison 10,000 times the strength needed to kill a rat....that is the way forward surely as has been shown by our all knowing masters.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

On the radio today...Auckland is experiencing a rat plague.....not one mention of 1080 WTF

Blanket that city with baits from the air loaded with poison 10,000 times the strength needed to kill a rat....that is the way forward surely as has been shown by our all knowing masters.

No its the damn chickens running around Titirangi, people feed them and thus the rats.