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Not sure if this is the correct place as it bleeds into politics but it has a direct relevance for hunters
From the university that gave us gun control nz we now have hunting = bad
I would guess their agenda is that if there is nothing to hunt there there is no reason to own a firearm
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom...climate-action
FFS! These animals have been here for 100-200 years. Hardly new to the countryside. "Without new plant growth coming through, forests and alpine lands are doomed." Jeeze they get a bee in their bonnet.
click bait....not a lot of substance to it and unfortunately,some will believe it.
the bit that really makes me sad......IF they did remove ALL the deer,pigs,goats,wallabies,possums,rabbits......wit hin a short space of time...certainly less than 30 years,you wouldnt be able to move around forest areas,it would be choked up...and then in another few years the strongest tress would take over..unfortunately in a lot of cases those wouldnt be native.....Im not at all convinced gorse will be out grown by anything....
Yep , nothing more than an attempt at discrediting both DoC and rec hunters. The reality is that ungulates are here to stay and collaborative management is the way forward.
I’m not sure what qualifies the author to comment given that she is a Public Health professor..not a wildlfe biologist, a biosecurity expert, a hunter, an ecologist.... the list goes on.
I’d expect a high school student would be able to produce a better article than that.
What we need are young ecologists that are also passionate hunters to carry on the great work of people like Cam Speedy ect..
The best thing we as hunters can do is introduce as many young people to our sport as possible.
and not so young.....
True. No ageism.:thumbsup:
I have always thought the FAL and hunting community had a small voice in this country. The same community that takes it on the chin and gets on with things, making this country tick along working hard and not complaining. Unlike some of the groups writing articles like this
She doesn’t understand that the various hunting foundations relationship with Doc has been earned.
Seedling counts, deer pellet counts, enclosure plot monitoring, kill data, organised hunts..
Out there in the forests working alongside Doc staff to gather information and try and paint a picture of the current state of our forests as ultimately it’s the health of the forest that is our real true resource at the end of the day. Healthy forests = healthy deer.
The Kaweka Forest Park and Fiordland are two perfect examples of how different groups can work together, pool resources and ultimately achieve the best outcome possible which always involves natural forest regeneration.
To read an article like that written by someone with absolutely no experience that’s made zero attempt to research any of the positive things that have been achieved makes me sad to be honest. I think even Doc would be pissed off with that to be fair.
She doesn’t know shit. Specifically these facts:
-nothing wrong with planting native forest but it’s not the greatest option from a carbon sequestration point of view. Introduced tree species are a lot more efficient at this
-mature native forest is a carbon sink but is generally net zero when it comes to sequestration i.e. the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere for growth is about equal to that released from rotting vegetation
-our forests can cope with low (arguably moderate) browsing pressure. They have made this adaptation well before deer arrived. What the fuck does she think the Moa did?
-game animals are unlikely to ever be eradicated, barring some type of future biological/genomic warfare breakthrough. Control is the solution for the foreseeable future
-to suggest we can get our “fix” from tramping is bullshit. She hasn’t experienced the thrill of the hunt, the adrenalin, or sense of accomplishment when you cleanly take an animal and can fill the freezer with prime protein. Tramping has it’s merits but ultimately doesn’t come close
-hunters don’t want out of control game animal populations either. No one wants a defoliated understory and heaps of skinny deer
Best that she sticks to “public health research”; she has a poor understanding of ecology, introduced animal management, hunting etc.
Sadly the poor lady thinks she is on track with what she doesn't really know anything about.
Let her have her day....the wind will do the rest.
The only counter to university public health/humanities troughers attacking elements of the public that fund them, is to push to defund/reduce fund these politicised subjects at university. Australia has done this and effectively doubled fees for those courses.
We must push back by asking the Nats and ACT to do the same, labour will not govern forever.
I haven't laughed that hard in a long time, what a fuckin joke.
What a dull place these islands would be without introduced species.
Youre right it is a joke but unless we are careful her sentiments will catch on and it will be too late to rectifiy our growing problemQuote:
Originally Posted by silentscope
Just to give this some context, she is the off sider of Hera Cook, well known anti gun crusader. You might recall old Hera going a bit crazy at the select committee during the buy back debacle when her extremist and unsubstantiated views were challenged. See the profiles here: https://www.otago.ac.nz/news/news/otago708948.html
The point being this isn’t necessarily about hunting, probably more an attack on one of the accepted reasons put forward for people having having firearms as they continue their anti gun crusade. They are now just trying to leverage an environmental angle to support their cause. If there is nothing to hunt you don’t need a firearm.
It smacks of academic elitism as it completely overlooks the main reason a large majority of people hunt, to provide food. Like a number of do gooding academics they would rather have people rely on the welfare state than provide for themselves.
Thanks for posting that article @Mark M. Note the final sentence in reference to the gun lobby:
“In fact, there is now substantial research showing that fewer guns make a society safer, as our factsheet shows”
Yet since the firearms reforms, gun violence has escalated terribly and has never been this bad. I wonder how Comrades Russell and Cook go with explaining that?
Her bias shows with the (92% of firearm owners are male) comment tossed in. Just another usefull idiot. Hates the "Old Pale stale white male patirarchy" but doesn't realise the "old Pale stale white female matriarchy" doesn't offer any viable alternative. Her kind should have been left in the early to mid 70's along with Kumbayah singing hippies.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7.62
Never heard of the one-eyed non-hunting woman before part reading that article. (Couldn’t be naffed reading it in its entirety)
But as somebody pointed out, we had grazing animals before the introduced ones arrived.
There was a comment (I haven't fact checked it) that she's also a close relation of someone who helped write the new laws, as well as being on the board of gun-grabbers. Really what this is, is an attempt to further alienate hunters in order to attack firearms ownership. They have figured out they can start a "legitimate use" wedge, then keep driving it on whatever topic they think of. They nailed the competitive shooting community, now they're after the hunting community by saying the hunting community is causing climate change. You and I know that's stupid, but she just needs to win over the uneducated voters to kill our way of life.
Ultimately she's comfortable saying this publicly because this' part of a larger shift in society where the general public has no exposure to firearms or hunting, so are easily convinced of anything they're told. We as a community are terrible at getting our message out to non-hunters, but that's what we need to do if we want to survive. Chur Bay's school hunting program and club ( https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....ng-club-74684/ ) and NZDA's learn to hunt program are great examples of that. We however need to make sure that people local to these programs but outside the hunting and shooting community know they're happening, and expand our offerings so there's access at hand for those with no direct links into the community. We certainly can't ignore this and say "it'll never happen to me" or allow ourselves to be divided by saying "you don't need that to hunt" or "that's not hunting"... end of the day the anti-gun folks see all of us as evil, so division and narrow minded infighting only hurts you and benefits the gun-grabbers.