Thread: Hunter shot in Kaimai Range near Te Aroha

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102...-near-te-aroha

The Kaimais aren’t west of Te Aroha? Maybe on farmland, or more likely stuff reporting.

Let's hope he makes it... And he is the only one this roar....

IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET

This really makes my blood boil, EVERY bloody year some fucking retard does this, every year, without fail. Don't go giving me that "it could happen to anyone" shit either, it happens to asshole over inflated ego sociopaths that shouldn't be in charge of a firearm. Time to get tough on them, it's not manslaughter, it's murder, lock them up and throw away the key.

Dont get all upset yet. It may not be a case of Identifying the target, it could be an accidental discharge which is breaking a very different rule...or even inflicted upon the shooter by themselves if that is the case.....Either way, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

This really makes my blood boil, EVERY bloody year some fucking retard does this, every year, without fail. Don't go giving me that "it could happen to anyone" shit either, it happens to asshole over inflated ego sociopaths that shouldn't be in charge of a firearm. Time to get tough on them, it's not manslaughter, it's murder, lock them up and throw away the key.

I totally agree. If it is miss identification there seems to be science providing excuses as well.
People seeing and identifying deer and firing.....killing or wounding a human.
Its bullshit imo. I have never seen phantom deer morph into humans or vice versa.











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Although 64% of firearms incidents [not necessarily fatalities] while hunting large game ARE due to misidentification, perhaps we should wait a bit before analysing it. Nothing has come out about this fatality to suggest it's a case of target misidentification. It may have been self-inflicted during a trip or a fall.

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

This really makes my blood boil, EVERY bloody year some fucking retard does this, every year, without fail.

If you ARE indeed referring to target misidentification, records have been kept since 1979, and 26 of the 39 years since then have had a fatality attributed to target misidentification. So there have been 13 years where there were none.

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Time to get tough on them, it's not manslaughter, it's murder, lock them up and throw away the key.

No. If there was no intent to kill a person, then it's manslaughter.

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Don't go giving me that "it could happen to anyone" shit either, it happens to asshole over inflated ego sociopaths that shouldn't be in charge of a firearm.

Yeah, nah. Sorry, I'm going to go there. IF this was a case of target misidentification, then it CAN happen to anyone. Humans are fallible, and will always make mistakes. You can follow the 7 basic rules and still fuck it up. In most cases of misidentification of the target, the shooter was adamant they were shooting at an animal. Confirmation Bias is a real thing where your brain tricks itself into seeing what it is expecting to see. It happens to pilots and has explained various plane crashes, and it happens to hunters who are searching the bush for a deer. They are thinking "is that a deer" and looking for things that reinforce that view, rather than asking " is it a person" and looking for evidence of that.

We ask ourselves the wrong questions in the heat of the moment and it sends us to the wrong conclusion.

There are no such things as accidents, so instead of pointing the finger at the shooter and saying "they fucked up. They didn't follow the rules", we need to find out HOW and WHY they messed up and got it so wrong. That way we can indentify the what went wrong and develop techniques to reduce the number of times it occurs.

There is a whole subject on this, called Human Factors - a study on how and why humans make mistakes and how they contribute to accidents. This is not unique to hunting, as it happens across industries. Aviation, Maritime shipping, Oil & Gas, Medicine, etc.

Yes, the shooter is to blame, but blame does nothing to prevent this happening again. I'm interested in the nitty gritty of the how and the why, and hopefully learning something from this tragedy. Cognitive biases do not make these mistakes ok, but it helps us understand how and why they happen so we can be aware of our own fallibility and develop techniques to mitigate it.

This is a good time to stop and have a read of Mountain Safety Council's research on hunting accidents and fatalities. https://issuu.com/nzmountainsafetyco...22887/44292171

Quote..”It happens to pilots and has explained various plane crashes, and it happens to hunters who are searching the bush for a deer.”

That statement in itself is a very interesting point,I know I’ve been guilty of it myself(the aircraft side of things).....read impact Erebus,some very interesting info on this very subject.I think Stretch,makes a compelling argument here,yes there is carelessness,fuckwits etc,very hard to defend this action,and as R93 states,a deer does not look like a human,follow the 7 rules and your ticketiboo.....not so.....it will be interesting to read the dialogue from the shooter and the “shot”......

Tragic nonetheless

First one of the season, I hope it's the last but there's a pretty good chance going from years before it may not be. Roar has barely started.

Originally Posted by R93

If it is miss identification there seems to be science providing excuses as well.

Not excuses, but a reason. Big difference.

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@stretch get of the grass mate all you have done is explained the thought processes of a sociopath that thinks they are to clever to follow any kind of proper procedure and wrapped it up in a big old wet blanket of an excuse called "human nature"
I sure as fuck don't go through any stupid "heat of the moment" thought process that would result in me shooting another human being and if you really believe the dribble you have said then maybe you need to go hand in your licence.

Originally Posted by stretch

Although 64% of firearms incidents [not necessarily fatalities] while hunting large game ARE due to misidentification, perhaps we should wait a bit before analysing it. Nothing has come out about this fatality to suggest it's a case of target misidentification. It may have been self-inflicted during a trip or a fall.



If you ARE indeed referring to target misidentification, records have been kept since 1979, and 26 of the 39 years since then have had a fatality attributed to target misidentification. So there have been 13 years where there were none.




No. If there was no intent to kill a person, then it's manslaughter.




Yeah, nah. Sorry, I'm going to go there. IF this was a case of target misidentification, then it CAN happen to anyone. Humans are fallible, and will always make mistakes. You can follow the 7 basic rules and still fuck it up. In most cases of misidentification of the target, the shooter was adamant they were shooting at an animal. Confirmation Bias is a real thing where your brain tricks itself into seeing what it is expecting to see. It happens to pilots and has explained various plane crashes, and it happens to hunters who are searching the bush for a deer. They are thinking "is that a deer" and looking for things that reinforce that view, rather than asking " is it a person" and looking for evidence of that.

We ask ourselves the wrong questions in the heat of the moment and it sends us to the wrong conclusion.

There are no such things as accidents, so instead of pointing the finger at the shooter and saying "they fucked up. They didn't follow the rules", we need to find out HOW and WHY they messed up and got it so wrong. That way we can indentify the what went wrong and develop techniques to reduce the number of times it occurs.

There is a whole subject on this, called Human Factors - a study on how and why humans make mistakes and how they contribute to accidents. This is not unique to hunting, as it happens across industries. Aviation, Maritime shipping, Oil & Gas, Medicine, etc.

Yes, the shooter is to blame, but blame does nothing to prevent this happening again. I'm interested in the nitty gritty of the how and the why, and hopefully learning something from this tragedy. Cognitive biases do not make these mistakes ok, but it helps us understand how and why they happen so we can be aware of our own fallibility and develop techniques to mitigate it.

This is a good time to stop and have a read of Mountain Safety Council's research on hunting accidents and fatalities. https://issuu.com/nzmountainsafetyco...22887/44292171

No, not if you follow them.

Fukn pain in the arse this roar thing. Can't wait for duck shooting to start so I only have to share the hills with a few others.

Bought a huntech blaze orange ghillie but now i'm not convinced that it is more safe than anything else, might just make me an easy target for some fuckwit dreaming of taking a photo for his facebook with my corpse.

I'll just be hunting by boosting up the main track to clearings looking at other clearings for the roar so hopefully i'll be safe. It would take a complete fuckwit and snapshot to shoot somebody sitting glassing from a clearing.

Originally Posted by Gibo

No, not if you follow them.

Not true. "Identify your target beyond all doubt" SHOULD be enough, but it's not. People convince themselves it's an animal to the point where there is no doubt in their mind, yet they are still wrong.

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