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There are a few land owners on here and hunters that go on farms hunting. So the question what do you make you hunter's do or what are you made to do?? sign in, given a list of hazards,only aloud to ride on formed tracks, made when helmet's etc
This is a genuine question not a I hate osh question
Theres a web page somewhere, got it from a lady at the Sika show, covers points required and a sheet you can take to the farmer, I cant find it!!
probably next to your car keys
if they are in a goldfish bowl at a party your marriage is overQuote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe
I know that when a group of us hunted a small landcorp block a while back, we had to have a safety brief from the manager and sign some paperwork.
I sign in and out on my mates farm for gongs. I set that up though so not sure what he should be doing :D
Which ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe
Typical Ford owner.....needs a back up vehicle :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
F O R D
Fix or repair daily.
Its being repaired today Woody, Ive down graded to a bloody Toyota!!
95% of holden made in the last 10 years are still on the road.........The remaining 5% made it home.
Pm me if you like I'll send you what we use for hunters.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear
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I've sent you a PM Brads if you don't mind.
PM sent
My experience is that mostly Farmers don't understand their legal obligations to recreational users so accordingly over react. Not that a belt and braces approach is unwise.
Unfortunately its being used as a reason to shut up farms.
Basically the farmer (and his staff) have an obligation to warn you about any unusual hazards that you would not usually associate with that sort of farming enterprise.
They do not have to warn about natural hazards.
Read this:
Health and safety responsibilities of farmers to recreational visitors » Walking Access Commission Ara Hīkoi Aotearoa
couple of farms i hunt have no H&S policy in place (wouldn't know what it is) If i am lucky enough i get a couple permits a year from a forestry company and for that i need a current firearms license and one block am not aloud to take a bike over the ONE wooden bridge as it is not weight rated (its a shit bridge) and they state tracks could be slippery and may have drop outs.
From dealing with HSE at work and reading that article about what a farmers responsibility is.( the article actually contradicted what this work safe FAQ says, but did state that work safe has no intention to prosecute farmers for relational activities. So I assume it would take gross negligence for work safe to bring on some form of court action)
My understanding is hunting and shooting at a recreational level for the most part stays as a recreational activity and the health and safety at work act 2015 generally does not apply to them while they are out and about on the farm and out of key work areas like workshops and sheds and farm equipment etc etc. Except in a very few circumstances, IE when a hazard like a drain or other work has been carried out and left in the open and they hurt them selves there. So the farmer should already have some form of barrier or hazard ID etc in place for that drain already for their staff. Tripping over or shooting themselves would not count.
https://worksafe.govt.nz/about-us/ne...-myths-busted/
BUT if money exchanges hands either way, Ie guided client or pest control contractor then it applies to them.
2nd BUT The PCBU (farm, farm owner director etc etc) has a responsibility for the health and safety of its employees. So some level of care is needed to protect the employees from the visitors. So practical steeps would need to be taken to protect staff from hunters.
So understanding the risks hunters bring to the farm and the WORKING risks that the farm poses to the hunter and eliminating or managing those risks.
A sensible balance between taking practical and reasonable steps and not being super anal and crazy or super Blaz-e about things.
Very little extra work should be required on the farms part if they already have a decent HSE program in place.
Allowing hunting while no workers are on site, notifying all workers when and where hunters will be and letting hunters know what areas they are allowed to go. etc. would be simple additions.
Its not something to be dismissed with no care but not something farms should be afraid of and stopping hunters full stop for fear of ending up in court either.
TLDR: Long winded version of Thar's Post. :D
Thats pretty bad. I do think HSE is really overboard in some areas now days and peoples personal responsibility is diminished compared to what it used to be. But no one wants to go to work to be hurt or killed either.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear
I have never been made to do anything h and s wise, only sort of things I have ever been asked to do is shoot every pig you see or open such and such gate on your way back down but then generally farms I have hunted I knew very well with only a couple of exceptions.
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HSE 101. :D
Geeze thats hardly good advice :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nugget connaisseur
Brother worked at Inghams chicken factory.
They found one of the Korean works on the floor of the toilets with blood flowing from his but:wtfsmilie: then runs out he had an itchy ass so decided he would scratch it with his filleting knife :O_O: guess that’s where the saying “Ass Saw”! comes from:XD:
How much are hi vis vests? You could ask the farmer how many staff he has and as good will, supply him with enough to cover his employees while your there.
A whole farm is not a work place, but where work is being carried out on the farm is. I would consider dangerous stock to be a hazard whereever that they are located, and should be notified as such to visitors. I would advise getting visitors to avoid working parts of the farm and areas where dangerous stock are.
Interesting that taking fees for access is likely to result in the property to be considered a workplace as a whole.... I wonder if those that do understand the significance of that..?
Also that if the money being taken from a volunteer run organisation IE has no paid staff. For example tramping club or a shooting club with no paid staff. Its not considered a work plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney
found on rubbish dumpQuote:
Originally Posted by Woody
100 points to that man he's bang on, if you pay the farmer any money it becomes a workplace so your there responsibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney
If it's free your a recreational visitor but still have to be aware of common hazards and any particular hazards in the area you are in.
Obviously it depends on that farms particular h&s plan thats straight from the beef and lamb plan.
I'm sure @ Ryan Songhurst has a different plan?
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I have a sign with all you need to know on the gateQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
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So busy the signs not even hung up yet:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Worn around the neck during the day, taken off at night.
I've found the problem can be getting hunters to follow the really difficult requirements like "You need to wear Hi-Vis vest". :huh:
If you can't follow simple rules or think they don't apply to you because your the +1 to your mate that asked don't bother coming.
I'm so glad to be blessed with FCUKING COMMON SENSE! Maybe that's WHY I'm getting OLD!?
Hunt two Private properties for duck shooting and the requirements are polar opposites for each. First farm has no safety requirements no sign in what so ever, just turn up and shoot. The other property I am required to sign in and out, be conversant with the farm health and safety plan and also sign an indemnity form. I'm completely fine with that as it's a privilege to hunt there and it is their lively Hood.
Bloody bureaucrats think that getting out of their chair is a hazard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Especially if she partners up with someone from the republic of Congo...Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
Health and safety obligations/risks/rules on their own aren't actually a valid reason to exclude access for recreational activities, because the process of hazard id and management is theoretically less involved than if they were employing workers or contractors. And provided the recreational user was warned of potential hazards, in the event of an incident the landowner/manager won't be hung out to dry. However quite a few landowners will pull the H&S card to say no, almost as an excuse, rather than just say they'd prefer it if you didn't shoot/hunt/fish/walk on their land.
We deal with multiple farming clients (dozens in an average year), in a forestry capacity so have quite stringent systems already in place, and plenty of paperwork to go through before starting a job. The new act meant little to us, the rules are much the same, the processes the same, it just meant keeping more of a record and having systems that were more repetitive than previously and having a written record of 'everything'. It surprises me how many (the majority) of farmers who don't refer to the H&S act or follow rules at all when we step onto their property. You try and get a farmer to wear PPE (hi vis, steel cap boots and a helmet) when entering a forest on their own property that we are undertaking operations in! We had one farmer ride his quad right through a working skid site, where three diggers and a skidder were working...haha
For larger forests we manage we have a access permit agreement that we will issue at our discretion. It is provided with a list of procedures, conditions and expectations while on the property. A list of hazards most likely to be on the property, plus any ones specific to that property. Maps and fire plans with escape routes and various access points provided. The permit holder signs this if they accept our conditions, if they are found to be in breach of them we can revoke the permit.
Any land owner on here got any sad tales to tell about being caught out by big brother ?
Rightly so- what business is it of theirs to comment on a farmer's sex life? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Nugget connaisseur
In my line of work we deal with a lot of farmers , hands down the one,s that make the official rules very confusing are all the health & safety experts out there trying to sell you a "plan" , they trump up everything to make you think you are doing things wrong & your simple notes & information shearing between farms are not really upto scratch whilst technically correct our ''plan" is better ..its no wonder some farmers don't no what the hell to think & just shut the gate there is so much miss information out there mostly construed by experts that want to sell you something . If you want to no what the go is ring worksafe they are surprisingly down to earth.
