Hunting or fishing under level 4

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Originally Posted by Dan.22-250

Personally I can't see any problem with it as long as you're sensible about things. Last lockdown I was in Queenstown about 2 minutes walk from the lake, went fishing a couple of times and even the cops that walked past didn't have any problem. Driving anywhere or being out for more than a couple of hours would be frowned upon I think.

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Agree. Problem is some people don't know where to draw the line and think a full blown fishing or hunting mission is ok too.

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Originally Posted by Hunteast

Can't wait to see the hunting stories on here and on Youtube about how well they got on with their trip into the hills over the level 4 period - DOC land?
Seemed to be a bit of a gap last April about those that went hunting during level 4? If you though it was legal, don't be so shy to test the rules and make it public on the forum.
At the end of the day, your not doing the recreational hunter much good nor renewal for your firearms license?
Lesson- maybe shouldn't have voted Labour??

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I doubt any likely NZ Government would have done it differently.

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Originally Posted by berg243

dont you have a heap of baleage wrap to pick up instead of looking at the wildlife.:P

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Nah, he burns it on the spot :)

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Originally Posted by Husky1600

As the law stands, anybody is allowed to gather food as a customary right. It is not a right granted depending on race.

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From https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels...alert-level-4/

WTF?

https://i.ibb.co/9Yy9sNW/Screen-Shot...t-19-44-55.png

i think if you are delivering some labour party propaganda pamphlets on the way then it might be ok? ,,,, :o

Here is a hint : don't look at the following websites for any info on the restrictions:

covid19.govt.nz
police.govt.nz
health.govt.nz

These bloody muppets do and will interpret the law in all kinds of mysterious ways... :ORLY:

rather go here

legislation.govt.nz

specifically, look for the Covid19 Public Health Order

kapai bros.....off to the lake tomorrows,might even go put out net and catch some whitebait too.....yeah right!!!!! I will be working.

Re the Canterbury guy that was caught. I am told something did happen. including loosing his FAL

there was the same discussion last L4, L3 time

Its clear, dont do any activity that is risky, and could put others at risk coming to rescue you.
its simple
Hunting and tramping are included. again.
trying to play the system, isnt helping.
being the cause of others having to leave their 'bubble' and put them at risk , frankly, is selfish

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Originally Posted by ebf

Here is a hint : don't look at the following websites for any info on the restrictions:

covid19.govt.nz
police.govt.nz
health.govt.nz

These bloody muppets do and will interpret the law in all kinds of mysterious ways... :ORLY:

rather go here

legislation.govt.nz

specifically, look for the Covid19 Public Health Order

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From legislation.govt.nz

https://i.ibb.co/znh57Nz/Screen-Shot...t-20-10-00.png


My take on it is that you are allowed to fish/hunt in places "readily accessible from home" that wouldn't require search and rescue etc. regardless of your ethnicity. Not trying to be a dick or find loopholes, just trying to understand the rules.

@Mohawk .308, section (f) does

But you could also read section (e) in a way that "recreation" includes fishing/hunting in ways other than the specific provisions of point (iii)...

There’s no loop hole . If you you are Maori it is clearly written in legislation that you can exorcise customary rites and go fishing or food gathering in the middle of a pandemic at its highest level .

Numerous links to that legislation are available look it up .

What gets me is that as a man of the land all my life I’m excluded from this “customary rites” but even more so how is it possible the country is in the middle of public health crisis customary rites are still able to be exorcised to the detriment of our entire country? …is the current government so terrified of upsetting at best 16% of the population they are willing to sacrifice the other 84% , is this where we are at ? .
For the record I am no racist this is not what the OP was about more so it’s about a government that is dividing us and putting our fellow country men and woman at odds with each other and to my way of thinking it is the first tangible evidence rite there for all to see .

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Originally Posted by Delta Variant

We are naturally a species of hunters and gatherers.
We have gone hunting, fishing and gathering for tens of thousands of years.
Our ancestors relied on themselves and did not need or expect to be rescued if something went wrong.

Most of us are still the same. We take responsibility for ourselves, if we are men.

Hunting and gathering is "customary" for every member of our species. It is in all of our genes regardless of "ethnic" differences.

This idea that we cannot do what we want to because it might possibly expose someone else to any potential danger is WOKE NONESENSE and we should say so.

IMO, the proper definition of "woke" is "loser" and this "woke" culture turns everything to shit.

The "woke" losers have taken control of the political parties and our government because the rest of us allowed them to.
These people are omnipotent moral busybodies who feel entitled to tell everyone else what to do "for their own good".

The "woke" do not want anyone to hunt, shoot, fish or do anything else they disapprove of and are using their political participation and power to force the rest of us to obey them.

Isn't it time we told them to mind their own business and leave the rest of us alone so we can do the same?

The only way to do this is for more and more of the normal people to join, participate in and take control of the political parties so that we have representatives of the real people instead of the "woke" losers.

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Welcome to the forum Delta variant.

Gee your popping up everywhere at the moment ah [emoji106]

I'm a bit concerned to see you are in Christchurch !!
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Originally Posted by Boaraxa

There’s no loop hole . If you you are Maori it is clearly written in legislation that you can exorcise customary rites and go fishing or food gathering in the middle of a pandemic at its highest level .

Numerous links to that legislation are available look it up .

What gets me is that as a man of the land all my life I’m excluded from this “customary rites” but even more so how is it possible the country is in the middle of public health crisis customary rites are still able to be exorcised to the detriment of our entire country? …is the current government so terrified of upsetting at best 16% of the population they are willing to sacrifice the other 84% , is this where we are at ? .
For the record I am no racist this is not what the OP was about more so it’s about a government that is dividing us and putting our fellow country men and woman at odds with each other and to my way of thinking it is the first tangible evidence rite there for all to see .

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now what was it that was quoted in the "communism thread" about deviding the masses???

The way I read the "allowance" is pretty much if you have a handy pipi bed nearby you can wade around and get some but no diving etc, presents more as making sure people who rely on these foods still have access to them rather than it being a recreational extra.
I'm staying home, give the animals time to build confidence and give the pipi beds a rest, I don't need them to get by and am happy enough working on fitness around home so my next hunt is more enjoyable

They’re white baiting in Whakatane? Police not showing interest?

Do'nt blame them, those whitebaiters get pretty stroppy at times.

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Originally Posted by trapperjohn

Do'nt blame them, those whitebaiters get pretty stroppy at times.

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Il never forget a 80 year old coaster woman scoop netting on the Arawhata giving my big brown brother his beans because he was set netting on the wrong side of the stump that was on the bank , fortunately for me I was behind him so was largely left un molested as she would place her scoop inside the mouth of his large set net :) .

Hmmm…..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-d...ZFRBJ4JISP6SA/

So no one has stated what is a an acceptable time or distance to drive from home for exercise 10 mins, 20 mins, 5km ??? Or have I missed it

@Moa Hunter
No clear definition, neither distance or time, they’ve written it that way so they can try a Police you how they see fit.

Guys please read the act here (hope link works) section e & f should be of most interest but I urge you to read it all.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regu...resel_25_h&p=1

Be aware the current govt got their bums smacked in court by enforcing laws last lockdown that weren’t finalised, they didn’t care, they pay out with our tax money after all. They then hurried through what they could latter last year, they snuck it through with short notice right under our noses.
What’s become clear is Labour love directing Covid questions to any of their 3 main pages, heck that’s all they advertise www.covid19.govt
,here’s where they spin the actual legislation to suit their agenda. The legislation itself is very loose in definition and taken at face value anyone could pick big holes in it.

Cheers Cliff

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Originally Posted by Maca49

They’re white baiting in Whakatane? Police not showing interest?

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Whitebaiters in Mokau were told to go home by the police

Hell they're stopping folk at the Harbour Bridge and if they don't have "valid reason" they're turning them around and sending them back, some with a bit of educating, some with infringement notices.

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Originally Posted by Cigar

Whitebaiters in Mokau were told to go home by the police

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Well the police not singing from the same hymn sheet is not new, probably wearing patches in Whaka!

Having slept on this and considering the wording on legislation.govt.nz, I don't think there is any practical difference in the law as it applies to Maori and non-Maori (we're all lawyers now in addition to being vaccinologists!). I suspect the instructions on other government websites (e.g. covid19.govt.nz) are what they would like us to do rather than what is law. Whether the police and Karens know this is another matter.

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Originally Posted by Maca49

Well the police not singing from the same hymn sheet is not new, probably wearing patches in Whaka!

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Mmm, I’m afraid mate all that crowd are doing atm are beating up their mrs’s - I know.

This other bunch are riding around like it’s a Sunday afternoon zooming past walkers (us peasants) towards Whaka and then returning an hour later.
I forget the stats but they are right up there as far as accidents are concerned- but hunting? Don’t start that again…
I work with a couple of big banana bike riders and cocks the lot of them [emoji23]

I was led to believe it was 5kms from home?


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Has anyone ever wondered what these permits are really about?

Why do we citizens have to have permission from some of our employees (government noddies) to access public (our) resources on public (our) land?

What possible benefit do tax payers receive in return for paying for the issuing of these permits?

The public land is NOT DOC LAND as they like too pretend. It does not belong to "the crown" either. It belongs to all of us and all of us should be entitled to use it.

Why do we comply with and pay for so much bureaucratic bullying and nonsense that we did not ask for or derive any real benefit or value from?

I do not see any benefit in return for having to apply for a permit to go for a walk on public land looking for animals that our employees in DOC call pest and are trying to eradicate with poisons.

These pieces of paper we are forced to apply for, print and carry with us do nothing for us, so why should we agree?

We only agree because we are fearful of being punished by some government employee or other whose wages we are also forced to pay for.

We all know perfectly well that our safety and that of others who might be in the same area is our own responsibility and that none of the bureaucrats who sit in flash offices spending our money do anything useful to help us.

Our entire government system became corrupted by the "user pays" scam, which was really about making us pay twice. Once by taxes on our incomes to fund more burdensome bureaucracy and then again for access to use what we have already paid for to increase the size and power of the same burdensome bureaucracies.

Business is transactions between WILLING BUYERS and WILLING SELLERS.

The "business" that these government enterprises are in is called EXTORTION (forcing people to pay for what they do not want and are NOT WILLING to pay for.)

We need to face the truth that we are all being ripped off and bullied by arrogant and incompetent "employees" who provide li9ttle or no benefit in return for what we are forced to pay.

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Originally Posted by Delta Variant

Has anyone ever wondered what these permits are really about?

Why do we citizens have to have permission from some of our employees (government noddies) to access public (our) resources on public (our) land?

What possible benefit do tax payers receive in return for paying for the issuing of these permits?

The public land is NOT DOC LAND as they like too pretend. It does not belong to "the crown" either. It belongs to all of us and all of us should be entitled to use it.

Why do we comply with and pay for so much bureaucratic bullying and nonsense that we did not ask for or derive any real benefit or value from?

I do not see any benefit in return for having to apply for a permit to go for a walk on public land looking for animals that our employees in DOC call pest and are trying to eradicate with poisons.

These pieces of paper we are forced to apply for, print and carry with us do nothing for us, so why should we agree?

We only agree because we are fearful of being punished by some government employee or other whose wages we are also forced to pay for.

We all know perfectly well that our safety and that of others who might be in the same area is our own responsibility and that none of the bureaucrats who sit in flash offices spending our money do anything useful to help us.

Our entire government system became corrupted by the "user pays" scam, which was really about making us pay twice. Once by taxes on our incomes to fund more burdensome bureaucracy and then again for access to use what we have already paid for to increase the size and power of the same burdensome bureaucracies.

Business is transactions between WILLING BUYERS and WILLING SELLERS.

The "business" that these government enterprises are in is called EXTORTION (forcing people to pay for what they do not want and are NOT WILLING to pay for.)

We need to face the truth that we are all being ripped off and bullied by arrogant and incompetent "employees" who provide li9ttle or no benefit in return for what we are forced to pay.

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Got any good hunting stories or pics mate. Or are you just on here to stir shit?

Basically giving everyone at home the middle finger.
Is that what is considered customary food gathering? With tracking collars.:pissed off::pissed off:

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Originally Posted by Jhon

Hell they're stopping folk at the Harbour Bridge and if they don't have "valid reason" they're turning them around and sending them back, some with a bit of educating, some with infringement notices.

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I cross the Bridge twice a day and have not been stopped ?. I was waved through a check point once on the on ramp to the bridge last level 4 .

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Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

This fella isn’t too concerned about L4 lockdown rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2AlMSo1hQ

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At least he's handily provide the powers that be his rego number:omg:

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Originally Posted by XR500

At least he's handily provide the powers that be his rego number:omg:

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No one as been game enough to give him a serve in the comments :)

NO RESPECT

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Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

This fella isn’t too concerned about L4 lockdown rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2AlMSo1hQ

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Of course not.........Level four lock downs don't apply to him and I'm not being facetious or sarcastic, but basing my statement on
1...His voice.
2...His skin colour.
3...His protest music background.

All of which lead me to believe that he is part Maori and Maori are exempt by Government from the law forbidding every other RACE of New Zealander from hunting and or fishing during this Covid lockdowns.

They have a special, strange exemption for ‘Māori customary’ fishing and food gathering. The Government is clear that Non Maori can’t fish or hunt under Alert Level 4. Too dangerous but obviously the viruses respect Maori customary rights and will not infect Maori.

It becomes very much how you perceive your own interpretation.
Always a way to turn it around to ones own advantage.
Should you choose to go hunting there ate jist a few rules to follow so as to not pit others at risk
Injuries/ medial events -do the right think and shoot yourself.
If yoi are caight by the feds you automatically loose your firearms licence for 5 years and are subject to a fine and forfeited said firearms.
Go on do it please

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Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

It clearly says ‘Maori customary rights’.

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I Knew My great Aunty Hinemoa would come in handy some day

The "person of interest" has responded to comments about hunting during the lock down........

"im on mi land i can do wat i want check mi next vid spin n tresspasers around"

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper

The "person of interest" has responded to comments about hunting during the lock down........

"im on mi land i can do wat i want check mi next vid spin n tresspasers around"

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Saw that you featured. :)

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Originally Posted by Tahr

Saw that you featured. :)

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"Featured?"..... I feel that "contributed to clarify the legality" would be more accurate; just as I have done here in the past.

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper

"Featured?"..... I feel that "contributed to clarify the legality" would be more accurate; just as I have done here in the past.

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pfffttt... :)

The guy deserved a chip. I did too.

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Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

So that’s 5 million New Zealanders then...:thumbsup: good luck explaining that to the cops

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Yeah its gunno go like this
"WHY ARENT YOU AT HOME!"
"Sir i'm exercising my right to get to-"
Blink blink
"WHY ARENT YOU AT HOME!!" (begins to try to escalate the situation)

They're kinda simpletons so all this planing of what you'll say is for naught i'm afraid. Its what 'He thinks' in practice. Right or wrong that how its going to play out

or you could just pull out the PS4, ride your bike and go for a jog. Wait till this bullshit is over