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    Hunting With No FAL

    This title should get the ears pricked up. This world is too pc these days when I was his age no FAL and was hunting on my own.

    My eldest son is 15 and wants to come for a hunt on public land with me and take a rifle.Shit this time of the year I won't be leaving mine behind.
    I have a FAL. So question is do I tell the lad you can come but leave your rifle at home or take it?


    Now another scenario we are all keen duckshooters and buy gamebird licences every year even for the kids. Our youngest son wants too come with me and a mate this year and bring the 20guage so does that mean I have too leave my shotty behind?

    The eldest boy wants to shoot on a River while we will be at a pond.

    Any feedback appreciated...Cheers Dundee.
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    I'll come down for opening morning! I don't mind shooting on the river!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maca49 View Post
    I'll come down for opening morning! I don't mind shooting on the river!
    Sweet he will be supervised but is it still one gun for this scenario?
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    Law states he must be within your control or some such thing... Public land this time of year I would have my lad at my side ( so within the law ). Duck shooting mai mai or river blind same sort of situation one would believe. So long as you are close ..arms / eye contact I believe you are good to go.

    Hunting this time of year you would want him close ...... He's would need your experience more than ever this time of year!

    Read the previous ... Comes down to you ... Is he mature enough to choose his shot, calm enough to let birds go etc, yes fine with two guns ..no share the one gun .
    Last edited by stingray; 18-03-2015 at 06:33 PM.
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    Dundee, from a legal stand point you can only take one rifle between you, as direct supervision means being with the non FAL shooter at all times & being able to control there rifle if needed. In practise "Direct supervision" is probably misunderstood by a lot of FAL holders or ignored.

    On public land during the roar I'd only take one between you.

    I hear what your saying, I grew up on a farm & was wandering around on my own shooting rabbits with the old blokes 22 before I had a licence but I thinks there's a difference between doing it on private vs public land.
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    Guess what I'm trying to say is do you trust him ?
    In situations where a mistake or rash descion can have dire consquenches
    Yes go for it
    No stick with one gun
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    I'm 99% sure you're only allowed one gun but look in any fish and game magazine and tell me how many father/child photos there are with the dad and his semi and the kid with their little single shot smiling holding a few ducks.
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    In a public place ,one gun between you I would reckon.
    If you get on to animal and there is time to set him up for a shot that will be the way to go.
    Private farmland is a diffirent story I grew up on a farm in Nth Island from the age of 10 ,before that Sth Island up the Awatere Valley where we were pig hunting ,deer hunting with old man ,well we were head fly swatters of animals while he hunted mainly so we had some gun sense.
    As I reach age of 11-12 he started rabbit shooting with me together for 6 mths ,once he trusted me I was allowed to hunt alone ,always alone never with a mate or brother.
    Then moved onto shotgun again always alone.
    I get nervous hunting with two guns unless we are sitting watching a slip in the evening.
    Comes down to trust and education but on public land with the amount of people hunting now you would be taking a risk with the young fella taking his own gun without a FAL and if you take the one gun you are more likely to let him have a shot on the animal ?
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    I don't recall any law stating only one firearm.
    I do recall that you must be able to control the firearm if needed.

    Most deer hunting there is no need of two firearms.
    Duck shooting you would be side by side in a hide?
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    I'm with outdoorlad on this one, one gun between two.

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    I don't see any problem with each party member carrying a firearm, example father and son.
    I do it, but I never hand over magazines or ammo to the non FAL holder.
    When they come around to their shooting time, then they take the lead and basic rules covered again (...not again dad!)... and I follow at arms length, or sit beside them if prone etc, so only one firearm at any time has ammo anywhere near it.

    the arms code says that 'generally their will only be one firearm between two people' when one is not licensed, but this ensures that the supervisor is not using another firearm, which is probably good practice, especially for new shooters.
    My kids will continue to carry their own rifles, and me mine... but safety first.

    ...my 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dundee View Post
    This title should get the ears pricked up. This world is too pc these days when I was his age no FAL and was hunting on my own.

    My eldest son is 15 and wants to come for a hunt on public land with me and take a rifle.Shit this time of the year I won't be leaving mine behind.
    I have a FAL. So question is do I tell the lad you can come but leave your rifle at home or take it?


    Now another scenario we are all keen duckshooters and buy gamebird licences every year even for the kids. Our youngest son wants too come with me and a mate this year and bring the 20guage so does that mean I have too leave my shotty behind?

    The eldest boy wants to shoot on a River while we will be at a pond.

    Any feedback appreciated...Cheers Dundee.
    The only scenario that can't happen is PT shooting on the river while your at the pond.
    The rest is sweet from what I see
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    yep here we go, where will this thread end up?
    I know where your coming from on this one Dundee, I think the appropriate answer is NO he can't do what he want's! I'm guessing by some of your other posts with your family, your boy isn't stupid and you have taught him the ins and outs of firearms safety and hunting which is a lot more than a 25yr old who has just got his FAL and never touched a gun, but it's still wrong even thou he might be the safest hunter out there. I'm sure you don't let him drive your car / tractor around by him self either as he's not old enough to have a licence......yea right I think the saying goes. How old was the guy down south who shot a hunter?
    It's a hard one to say no to when your probably the biggest influence in his need to go hunting and prove him self.
    I know the rules don't change just because you live on a farm, but lets be fair they do! I'm sure there will be some bad replies from that comment but heeee that's the point of having these discussions.
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    Whats PT shooting? ...on the river.

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    'immediate supervision' has a pretty clear explanation in the arms code.

 

 

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