with the introduction of the DOC permit site and the ease to renew permits I was wondering how many of you hunt public land with a current permit? Do even bother to get a permit?
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with the introduction of the DOC permit site and the ease to renew permits I was wondering how many of you hunt public land with a current permit? Do even bother to get a permit?
Yip get one for entire country once every 4 months.
Why wouldn't you get a permit when its that easy?
Though I have to admit you just reminded me to check mine, turns out it had expired so have now renewed it! Hadn't realised they were only 4 months now.
never ever bother, not much they can do if you are confronted by a DOC ranger, but take your name, just give them a false name
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Originally Posted by eve
I can assure you that judges frown on that sort of shit, especially where firearms are involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by eve
I always have a current permit for the entire North Island. So easy to get it and print it these days compared to years ago. Hunting on DoC land without one is illegal. Doing so is just dumb arsed.
I'm happy to get my permit on line. I make a point of setting up the expiry date on my ph so I don't forget to renew it. The frustration is obtaining clear boundary mapping...
allways get one printed out . but keep loosing them. its in the glove box some where.
Has any one ever seen a DOC ranger? haha
when have you ever heard of any body been taken to court for not having a permit, never happen in the 13yrs I work for DocQuote:
Originally Posted by Spook
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Originally Posted by eve
Doc have an online permit application process, it enables everyone to enjoy our forests and reserves responsibly.
The offence would change from not having a permit to giving false information...a real dumb thing to do when carrying a firearmQuote:
Originally Posted by eve
You seem to be contridicting yourself eve.Quote:
Originally Posted by eve
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no just like talk shit on here like most of you
I don't bother printing them, just keep a copy on my phone which I pretty much always have with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JP100
I always check that im valid before i go out.. if i renew it, i just write the new dates and #number on the one i printed out 3 years ago. it takes about 2 minutes. why would you not do it aye? :)
If its shit put a smiley or something after it, otherwise we will take you seriously and think your odd :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eve
I'd be proud to meet a ranger or other enforcement person, show them my permit and FAL, knowing that I wasn't being a dodgy dishonest person damaging the sport, or my hunting mates reputation. It's bad enough the media calls those pissed-up spotlighting clowns on roads or public lands 'hunters'.
And for the record, I have found myself on private land accidently, and being challenged by the property manager. My honesty and acknowledgment meant they were subsequently very happy to issue the appropriate paperwork and I am able to return freely, with a clear conscience.
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Originally Posted by SiB
All the open hunting areas for the whole country.
I always print out a permit. Never been asked to see it, but it is so easy to get - why not?
Fantastic! Can anyone show/instruct me how to load that onto my rino 650? (I have a mapcard fitted) - I appreciate this is off thread and will be happy to redirectedQuote:
Originally Posted by POME
thanks
Sorry i just pencil the boundaries onto my topo paper map.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiB
I don't know why you wouldn't have the required permit ESPECIALLY when it's so simple! I've always taken one with me. Rules are rules.
you would think they would send a reminder that it is expiring!!
Why cant we get closed blocks permits online anyone know?
I dont mean closed as in its shut down either smartasses. The closed ones from online that you have to see the doc office to get a permit
I always print out a permit and stick it in the same ziplock as my map
One good argument for bothering to do so is that you get a pesticide summary at the same time
Yes I know they are idiots Yes I know the info is often out of date - What I'm saying is if you are going into an area you haven't been before then it's more information and we all don't want to waste our time, right?
I'd like to know the same Toby. A large block on Napier/Taupo Rd is never an available choice online and is only managed by DoC Napier office. I'm guessing it's got some old politics linked to it and is part of the ol' boys club, where they try to keep it exclusive. They will issue permits to those who ask, but if it's not on the website, how would you know to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
My regular hunting mate, an ex DoC employee, never bothers with a permit. I always have a permit and don't understand why anyone chooses not to. I also buy hut passes, although am always scratching my head as to why this is required, when I pay taxes. In many ways I've always been a bit of a rebel, except when it comes to hunting in the great outdoors. DoC and the Police make my favourite pastime really easy and hassle free, so why wouldn't I help them to tick the little boxes?
Eve, you share a disappointing attitude toward compliance. We all know the permit process isn't worth a damn, but as responsible, fit and proper people to own firearms and use them in a public space, we should be demonstrating a willingness to live within the rules.
I only wish the rules were policed better with more resources to catch the people who are abusing the system.
You gota be kidding Eve. Just because Doc hasnt taken anyone to court dosnt mean that they wont. I havent personally meet a Ranger while in the bush but i have mates that have. Basiclly your a poucher if you dont have one. Hunters on public land also leave themselves wide open if the cause a fire, get lost or heaven forbid shoot someone. For the 5mins on a computer you have to be plain dumb if you dont get one.
Bloody good idea that!!! Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiB
I've been asked for my permit once by somebody pretending to be a DOC ranger.
If they are like ours its because only one hunter is permitted at any given time... so how long is the waiting list etc, that's why we ring and book then when our time comes up the permit is postedQuote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Permits are 2 week blocks, so 20 guys on the list book up 40 weeks worth, and as it is more than half the permitted hunters never turn up
So while the concept of block management is good Moonhunt, it's failing miserably because there is a ballot/scheduled permit system, that often doesn't suit the applicants, so they either poach when it suits them, or the block is vacant when someone who actually wants to be there can't be due to a block ballot system?
Hopefully this is one of the problems the Game Animal Council might be able to fix up.
Our blocks up here are small, that is why one permit at a time, letting multiple hunters in at one time is a disaster waiting to happen
I cant see how it fails, you either commit to your given dates or don't go, you can get an idea of waiting times and dates when talking to the DOC guy so you are not in the dark, and as for poachers, there are conditions in place that help weed them out quick and busy
Some of these blocks are more trouble than they are worth for DOC, it would be far easier to close them to hunting and have pros hunt them
I Went up camping in the doc camp ground on Nokomai station a couple of weeks ago. I had a permit for some doc country that was accessible via station land. I asked permission to do so and was turned down due to the station managers poor attitude towards hunters. The attitude recieved was probably justified due to the amount of low lifes either poaching the farm land directly or crossing paddocks without permission. (And if they were doing that im sure they wouldnt have had a doc permit either)
I was told to go hunt mid dome instead because it was accessible from the road. Pity I didnt have a permit for there and it was the weekend! Made for a good climb without the rifle none the less. And as a conciliation found a few likely spots.
But my thoughts are if those people who weren't permitted to hunt in or around the station didnt trespass my odds of gaining permission for a hunt would have been far more likely.
Moral of the story. Pull ya finger (s) out and jump on the net and grab a permitt and ask farmers permission before crossing their land for cripes sake. Its that easy!
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That is exactly what happens up here, guys go straight through the DOC block and target the cockys farm, the goats are easy out in the paddocks, then when bored they shoot sheepQuote:
Originally Posted by deepsouthaussie
I thought for years the cocky was just out to spoil it , but learning all that goes on I don't blame him one bit, and again it is the honest people that loose out
True thatQuote:
Originally Posted by moonhunt
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Ive always gone about getting a permit for doc land and permission for private. Only ever once been challenged and it was on a private forestry block which we were harvesting at the time. We'd seen a number of deer so sought the permission of the elderly land owner who was happy with us taking a deer and also from the forest managers.
Thought we'd covered all our bases, did some practice shots at the opposite end of the block to make sure the gun (fresh out the safe after 10 years) was shooting straight, then drove down to our likely spot right on dusk. Just about got to the edge of the skid when a wagon pulled up an some fuck wit jumped out with his rifle demanding to know who we were and what we were up to. Carefully explained that we had permission from everybody concerned (except him the self appointed mayor/security for the block), he fucked off we went to the edge of the skid to find 2 stags on the bush line.:thumbsup:
I cant see why anybody wouldnt go about gaining permission/permits after all its one of the easiest aspects of our sport and if your not complying with that then what else are you failing to do???
Exactly... The seven basic rules of safety must be optional too?