Licenced harvest in Florida. Unlike our DoC, this is practical wild animal management.
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Licenced harvest in Florida. Unlike our DoC, this is practical wild animal management.
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I like it, but can you imagine a tag system working here? People are too feral and no infrastructure (or will) for enforcement.
DoC and regional councils need to address game animals as having a value. Apply that principle and proper management structure will follow; just like fishing quota.
In a country that runs a tag system a lot of the enforcement comes from the local hunters, hunters that tow the line and go by the rules will be quick to pass on relevant information to the officials of law breakers. At the end of the day by poaching you are taking away the chances of law abiding hunters of taking game so it doesn't go down well with them.
Also need to remember most of the game animals in North America are native species, unlike here.
Game animal management in NZ needs to be based around reducing numbers (in most cases) whereas in the USA it is around maintaining numbers. Bit of a different situation.
First Nation people have the rights to hunt to gather food much like the Maori have here in NZ. For the general public tags are required. Overall the system works well. As stated their animals are native to the country unlike ours and other factors come into play like a serve winter could reduce deer populations by50plus % so a close eye on populations is needed. If there counts show lower than normal animals in the spring they would then adjust seasons or have none at all to protect the species.
Good management. NZ is different as we don't have predators (other than man) or such serve weather to cause populations to fall to low levels and as stated our management is more needed to target growing numbers not the reverse.
During hunting season Conservation officers with Police will road block back roads and check all vehicles and hunters to make sure they are following the rules, will be over there in about 3 weeks and be out for a hunt for Elk on the 10th Sept, my son and both grandsons have there hunting licences so Elk tags will be in there pockets along with Mulies and Whitetail maybe a few more.
Precedents for game management have existed in NZ for decades. E.g. ducks swan, pukeko, paradise shelduck, and introduced trout and salmon, chukar, quail and pheasant as some examples
Just finished reading a very enjoyable book. 'A Good Man With A Dog ,; A Game Wardens 25 Years in The Maine Woods' by Kate Clark Flora and Roger Guam. Blew me away how different things are done there. Whole different scene as others have described.
As was pointed out above, there is no desire from the government or the average New Zealander to increase numbers or herd quality. We are in a country where almost everything worth shooting and eating is a feral species and the government is under pressure to reduce their numbers. A fair portion of those in government want them outright eliminated, not just reduced.
Taking money from hunters (which deters hunting and increases herd numbers) and then giving that money to the government who are under pressure to reduce (not manage) deer numbers does not seem like it would have a beneficial result for me as a recreational hunter.
I can imagine a tag system working in Australia with Kangaroos, wallabies and Emu. Here, I struggle to think of a species where it would other than ducks and maybe pukeko.
Not nescesarily money to the government. The NZ Wildlife service now Fish and Game is funded by hunters and fishermen and managed by their elected reprentatives. Unlike DoC which is funded by government the Fish and Game is funded by hunters and fishermen and manages their funds independently of government whilst applying the regulations of The Wildlife Act.
Yes it is but it is the way, to be honest that type of hunting doesn’t seem to happen in the area my son hunts, he also still has access to the property he worked on for over 20 years which is good. As for the tags they are over the counter ones he missed out on all the limited entry draws he put in for again.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
I enjoy to watch the TV episodes "Swamp People" , it `s telling the life of being commercial alligator hunter in Louisiana U.S.A, and I learned tag system from it. It seemed those local people depend everything on alligators, and everything was built for catch alligators. Not an easy job, two man/ woman on a small boat, the size like put two kayak together, use rusty .22 to kill on hooked alligators and bring it onboard, and those hunters were always facing difficulty of finding an assistant to work the whole season since this is two man job. my favorite hunter is Troy Landry, never give up or giving in.
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Where are you heading, Colorado? I'll be elk and deer hunting in Sept too but in Montana and Idaho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman
When I was in South East Asia, I came across two hunters in the Limestone Karst mountains, on part of the Viet Nam/Laos border.
They had guns, that to my untrained eye, were flintlocks, with barrels about 6 feet long, longer than they were tall.
They let me look at their harvest, a giant flying squirrel that was the size of a cat. Beautiful red, russet, black and cream fur.
But about as much meat as a rabbit. Skinny thing.
That gun was pure made by hands, even the barrel sometimes was using Bamboo instead of steel.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
A few years ago I was fortunate to take part in a driven hunt in a forest in Germany. As a driver.. not a shooter. It was quite an experience. Part of their forest/herd management. Quite a few little handbag roe deer shot and about 6 BIG pigs. Afterwards everyone meets at the hunting lodge for a bbq and some Jägermeister. Jägermeister translates roughly to 'hunt master'. The small wording around the label on a bottle is the 'hunters creed'. Google the translation. They had hunting outfits, trumpets and stuff. I got some nice photos and a video somewhere.
Everyone has the same moral right to hunt and gather food here in NZ. Regardless of race or ethnicity. Give nothing to racism.
Yep - and quite a lot of that Asian 'exotic live harvest' ends up in Chinese/Vietnamese/Etc. animal markets, and thence is enjoyed by all of us around the world as a pandemic animal to human virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
My point being that, given the thrust of this thread, there ain't no controls on hunting whatever you like in Asia, and look where that has got us!
Working on the pheasant drives is how us poor country kids made pocket money in England, following the fox hunters on our bikes was just for fun and to watch the rich huntsmen on their horses to see if any would fall off pissed or also following the hare huntsmen dressed the same as the fox hunters but who didn't use horses.
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Originally Posted by Mooseman
Hey Mooseman - I'm guessing you probably use your son's rifles to shoot in North America, but with the state of the world and all the restrictions is it still practical to take your own firearms overseas for Elk hunting etc?
Although I have done so with guided hunting, for some deep-set reason I don't like using other's rifles to hunt - its just not the same.
Maybe its just me?
Yep, in the late 1990's I was in the back blocks of Laos and saw those. Was able to approach them and have a good look at them. All pure home made caplocks made from heavy walled water pipe. Some door handle architecture fashioned into a spring and trigger, wooden stock, lots of string to bind them together, cap gun caps used to initiate. Black powder home made, even to the extent of extracting the Pot Nitrate from the dirt underneath a pile of old animal carcass bits (put aside for just such a task). Shot for the monkeys @25m was just road gravel held in place with paper. It worked is all you can say. These guys were skinny as a rake, and protein was hard to come by in those mountains. So illegal or not, when needs must people can build guns to keep themselves fed, no matter how draconian the Govt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
British Columbia in the Okanagan Valley. We will hunt around Princeton / Penticton.Quote:
Originally Posted by cb14
If I get to pull the trigger it will be with one of his rifles as it's easier to travel without firearms. When I hunted Alaska for my moose I had applied for a permit to bring my 338 but was declined as I didn't have a current Hunting licence in my paperwork, I had been advised to buy the licence from my outfitter on arrival in Talkeetna. As it turned out I borrowed a Ruger 338 Win Mag from one of the guides and shot my moose with it, it would have been nice to use my own rifle though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Copelli
I took my rifle to USA a couple of years ago. If you have both the USA and NZ paper work its a bit of a hassle but doable. I got the paperwork again this year but decided to take my bow so its not needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Copelli
I like Germans, has worked with them for few years. My boss was not a outdoor kind, but a shooting guy and pilot, he said he got special permit of carrying conceal pistol. On weekend, at train station there were many people with big backpack and gears ready to go into the mountains. It seemed, those trains could take them to everywhere. 8 years ago, I thought about moving Germany, but to learn another language at age 40 would be painful for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Stalker
Nice ideal, but not true. Customary take? Te Urewera?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Stalker
You sure about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusty Fog
And if so, how do you know how old I am?
Are you stalking me? ;)
I don't think the RA prefix on your passport number means Resident Alien as my wife's passport also has RA and she is 6th generation NZ. Mine is LL so it is just an alpha/numeric sequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusty Fog
