What’s the go with these guys? Anyone used them or have they been boycotted for trying to squeeze some coin out of being a middleman between landowners and hunters?
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What’s the go with these guys? Anyone used them or have they been boycotted for trying to squeeze some coin out of being a middleman between landowners and hunters?
Won't get anything from me for the above reasons.
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I think start up is in january. I’m intrigued to see what sort of properties they have on their books. I don’t really see the issue in what they are doing. Good avenue for the farmers to get some extra pocket money that the wouldn’t otherwise probably get
Issue i see is it going like Queensland where you need to be part of the ADA to get on their exclusive properties , then you need to go into a ballot type thing to get your 1-2 trips per year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sika Seeker
Here you will call in to see farmer Joe, farmer Joe goes nah sorry exclusive Hunting HQ....or yeah but it will cost xyz etc
Then there is the membership fee and then pay as you go
Just don't sit well with me
Hamish
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Who is providing the health and safety course ? How much it costs? And do they make money out of that as well?
I believe it is an online course. They have an app which you download which tracks where you are on the property and shows boundaries. I think there is a star rating which the farmer gives you at the end of the trip as to how you behaved/followed rules. I think membership is $250 per year and then I imagine each farm will be different on pricing and what is available to hunt etc. this is all off the top of my head from what I’ve seen over the past few months
Sounds like uberQuote:
Originally Posted by Sika Seeker
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Haha I was almost going to say that
Interesting, would be more enticing if they were reinvesting back into conservation, hunting advocacy and game management etc etc rather than strictly for profit. $250 a year seems steep unless this includes some decent insurances etc. hard to justify when so many animal running round on public land.
More for guys getting into the game that are looking for easier animals or don’t have much time I’m picking
I put my name in, though the website says Sept 2020 launch. Looking at the website and director (you can find him easy enough on linkedin) it all looks legit and done well.
Initially I thought the concept was great. Link up reputable hunters with willing land owners, awesome. Once I looked into the operating conditions such as the membership fee and then the fees from farmers I was not a fan. Will largely undercut private setups already in place and further reduce private land opportunities to those who already can’t afford to pay for a deer as it is whilst reducing opportunities for people to establish a relationship with a landowner IMO. It also seems contradictory to me that the website is pitched at helping farmers with pest control yet the ones doing the work are the ones being charged.
Let’s say I did want to go and pay for a private land deer, I would much rather go and choose one of the hundred other options already available and support someone’s small business/guiding setup. The concept was so close to being good I thought just not quite there.
Guarantee it won't last long. Few of the guys making a buck or two off a deer here and there might find some value in it but it's only gonna take one dickhead for whole properties to be pulled from the program or when farmers start to struggle with educated "pests" etc because they've had week after week of "rec shooters" putting pressure on it will soon start to lose its shine.
i signed up for it aint paid anything tho kinda wondering if its for me now 😳
They contact plenty of people we got contacted at home and the old's pretty much said yeh you can shoot varmits, etc or pheasants during season (we have tonnes) but no big game as numbers are limited and we enjoy hunting them. I've persuaded them that being close to Rotorua and already having our tiny population of fallow poached to near extirpation (extinct in an area) we dont need to allow people on our place as it would be very simple to come back and poach. Yes you can see star ratings but its easy to just create a new account everytime you do something naughty and get caught look at Trademe for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
The problem I can see in charging for access and hunting is the question of 'who owns the deer' ?. The land owner can charge a fee for access across land they own, but can they then charge so much per animal for animals they dont own.?
How do outfitters/ guides do it? Same as easements allowing access don't allow shooting of animals on easement. Conditions are often included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
They are charging for a service if hunting on public land. Whereas on a private fenced hunt park a lot of the animals are bought in and owned, so they are charging for animals they own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
What would you think if fishing guides started charging per trout taken ?.
Plenty of free range private low fence outfitters in NZ that charge on the animal that's wild and can often leave to public/neighbours. As for fishing guides not bothered as personally I feel better about it as it limits the amount of trout taken. I'd love to see foreigners pay per animal shot even when not guided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
There is a significant legal element for the company and for the farmer - health and safety. Because money is changing hands, the farmer may become vulnerable to prosecution by police or health and safety if an accident happens to the consumer (paying hunter) or other private prosecution may be another avenue the farmer will not want to walk down. Ultimately, the scheme seems like another element of privatization of the NZ way of life for personal profit. I am sure hunting would be seen in a similar light as 'risk tourism', like walking into live volcanoes. And we know what is happening to everyone who was involved in that activity; their lives are going to be absolutely ruined by government witchhunting.
I agree with you, that NZ outfitters are effectively selling a wild animal. That is the issue that I have questions about. Are those outfitters selling an animal that they dont have legal title to when they charge a trophy fee ?. The charge for guiding is one thing but the trophy fee is another ( on free range wild animals ). What would be the legal position if someone paid for access, shot half a dozen deer and refused to pay a headage fee when they left ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
Not exactly sure but how does a trophy fee work in British Columbia on public land and public animals? Surely at the least the have only been given access with conditions breaching the conditions would mean they are now trespassing and poaching. They don't own the animals but do have the right to say what people can do on their property. Also the trophy fee is viewed as a negative but realistically it is there just as much to allow for costs to still be covered in the case of a unsuccessful trip. Outfitters in BC/elsewhere often do this on low success hunts etc like Grizzly. I would hazard a guess they treat the trophy fee as a bonus for performance vs the actual animal fee. So you pay your outfitter a bonus depending on how well they have done similar to many businesses giving sales bonuses etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
My issue is the privatisation of a public asset, being wild game animals and the slippery slope to further access closures.
I'm looking for some straightforward places to take the son for a shoot. As newcomer to hunting, private farmland with accommodation on there seems like a good option. There's higher certainty of getting something, access, safety etc. When you have a 9-year old in tow, that stuff really matters.
Any thoughts?
Reading with interest. I'm not quite so negative. It might work out for some people and don't forget, there are no game animals in NZ apart from ducks, only pests. Sort out that travesty first, then things can move forward.
https://www.facebook.com/27411596671...739218269/?d=nQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunting Dad
Looks good but unfortunately we're in Christchurch.Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker