Thread: Idiot D.O.C and clueless NZDA

I can not believe the stupidity of DOC and NZDA , they actually think it is a good idea to have a Goat Shooting competition right at the start of Lambing . I bet the cocky's are going to love the idiots running around at this time of year



Date: 28 July 2021

In many parts of New Zealand, feral goats are a pest on both private and public land. The animals browse a range of plants – including many native species and farming pasture – and breed prolifically. They are known to be shrewd animals and adept at avoiding capture. Hunting is seen as the most reliable control method.

Kina Tweeddale, DOC’s Community Ranger for the Maniapoto district, says the new competition will be held for the first time from 14 August to 4 September, culminating with a prizegiving event in Te Kuiti DOC’s Taupiri St workshop from 10 am onwards.

“We’ve enjoyed some good success with the annual Pureora Forest Park Hunting Competition, and through our very positive relationship with NZDA we identified an opportunity to add this event to the North Island hunting calendar,” she says.

“Feral goats are an issue for DOC, and for many private land-owners, and working with the hunting community to give them another competitive opportunity to enjoy their sport – while also helping to reduce one of our most problematic pest species – is a win-win situation.”

Competitors are urged to focus on the area spanning Hamilton to Taumarunui, and from the western boundaries of Lake Taupo through Pureora and Waitomo to the west coast of the North Island. However, entries will be accepted from beyond the general area – the competition goal being to reduce the feral goat population.

Trevor Chappell, national past president of NZDA, says winter sees less opportunities for deer hunting in the central and northern North Island – with the animals usually disappearing into denser forest after the roar - so turning hunters’ attention to goats gives them a new challenge. Goats are nimble and quick compared to deer.

“NZDA has made commitment to work alongside DOC to reduce deer numbers, but shifting the focus to feral goats is a new initiative based on recent discussions,” he says.

“Ultimately this is about encouraging hunters to reduce the feral goat numbers – the goats are eating their way through native bush. If we want healthy environment for deer hunting, need to reduce the goat population.

“It’s another chance for NZDA to collaborate with DOC and strengthen that relationship, and there are mutual gains for hunters and landowners through this competition.”

Trevor Chappell says hunting for the competition can occur on private property with owner’s permission, or public land with authority or a permit from the relevant organisation.

The competition will run to a similar format as the annual Pureora hunting event, with two age categories – Open and Junior (hunters less than 17 years old). There are five categories – Most Tails Open, Most Tails Junior, Biggest Set of Horns Open, Biggest Set of Horns Junior, and a random prize draw for all participating hunters.

Those entering horns and skulls are asked to ensure the heads have been appropriately cleaned or boiled to ensure any hygiene/odour issues are dealt with.

Pre-registration is not required, but hunters planning to hunt on public conservation land must have a relevant permit from DOC.

Firearms licenses are also essential for competitors, and the competition is open to anyone “willing to have a go,” Trevor Chappell says.
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Can't please all the Karens i guess? If you don't want recreation hunters doing their bit then that leaves the door wide open for the DOC to find other means including more work for professional contractors etc. You will always get the few that access farm properties without permission - it's been happening for the last 100 years or so. Offer a solution not such a negative input. Just an opinion of course.

What's your problem? Lambing has been going on for over a month now in various parts of the country. As long as hunters stay away from lambing flocks thre shouldn't be any problem. Best goat shooting on private land is usually finge country so again, easy enough to stay away from ewe flocks. If a farmer isn't happy about hunting taking place they'll simply tell you so and deny access onto their land, theres plenty of public land available to hunt in the area of the competition. Good on DOC and NZDA for promoting hunting.
And in case you're wondering, I come from a farming background/perspective.
As it happens this is often one of the busiest times of the year for me culling pigs which tend to shoiw up at lambing for an oppurtunistic feed, they can be a f*cking pain in the arse at this time taking newborn lambs and cast ewes. Goats are just a bonus if we see them. Farmers are generally appreciative of the added set of responsible hunter eyes looking over remote ewe mobs.
Just my take on it.

goat carcasses could well divert some of those pigs away from lambs too,with suppressors the scare stock thing isnt as big of issue as it once was either.... good on them for organising a big cull..... far better to use it as tool to get young folk interested in hunting than culled from whirlybird and left to rot.

it is the license holders responsibility to abide by the law no matter how retarded it is.

Do you suggest that the police have suddenly given so many licenses to room temp IQ people who would risk getting in unholy trouble over some stinky goats?

I don't know anyone who'd poach a goat.

Theres nothing wrong with what they doing. Shouldnt have any effect on lambing at all . Good to see them doing something about the goat problem. On another note,
all this feel good nonsence about DOC and Hunters working together is just that , nonsence.
Wouldnt trust DOC or there sidekicks Forest and Bird that they truely are thinking about pleasing hunters and getting them involved in animal management.

Yes, they involving hunters in there culls to make üs "all feel good but its just a farce . Animal destuction is still the goal, and keeping the noise down and protests as quiet as possible is still there goal.
Getting rid of as many of our game animals as possible is still number one , slowly they creeping it into the media how bad the animal numbers are destroying all the native bush etc etc. EG,
reports pigs rooting the ground now are causing more carbon than 1.1 million cars.
All this Bs is just going to lead to more excuses to 1080, and cull every animal they can get away with while at the same time trying to keep hunters quiet and spin it in a good feel way.

Yes, DOC are handing out little wins to hunters, but these little gifts have a posioned tip, and im sure it bite us in the arse in the future.

This is the most important time of year for a Sheep farmer . And sheep are so dumb it is not funny , they can do unpredictable things . Would you like someone to come and cause unnecessary disruption at the most important time of year for a business .
And as for people not "poaching" for goats , just ask any cocky with goats if it has never happened
As for timing wouldn't January be better , good weather & school holidays ????????.

Yeh I.m kinda with tankd on this one guys , do'nt Know what the grounds like underfoot were some you chaps are, but she's absolutly saturated where we are up north even the sides of the hill a soaking,
dos,nt take much animal disturbance and we've got some very pugged up paddocks, as for vehicles, yeh nah forget about it.
If someone come knocking on my front door asking for hunt across the property I,d tell them to come back in a month or two when things have dried out abit.

Originally Posted by Tankd

This is the most important time of year for a Sheep farmer . And sheep are so dumb it is not funny , they can do unpredictable things . Would you like someone to come and cause unnecessary disruption at the most important time of year for a business .
And as for people not "poaching" for goats , just ask any cocky with goats if it has never happened
As for timing wouldn't January be better , good weather & school holidays ????????.

I hope to good your a farmer and dont actually live in North Shore like your handle suggests, because it would be sad as I thought it was mainly the woke new age people that are offended on behalf of others. It comes across to me as a post by someone that doesn't like DOC or the NZDA and has more of an issue with them that what they do. As for poachers they do it anyway comp or not.

As for do it another time its a goat comp with the aim of knocking down the population they could do multiple competitions to be honest if they want a decent outcome. I see this as a net positive and while not perfect it gives an example to point to within doc if we ever need to point to validating hunting as a beneficial pass time. If you ask me shit make it a bimonthly competition.

Originally Posted by trapperjohn

Yeh I.m kinda with tankd on this one guys , do'nt Know what the grounds like underfoot were some you chaps are, but she's absolutly saturated where we are up north even the sides of the hill a soaking,
dos,nt take much animal disturbance and we've got some very pugged up paddocks, as for vehicles, yeh nah forget about it.
If someone come knocking on my front door asking for hunt across the property I,d tell them to come back in a month or two when things have dried out abit.

Farmers can still do this anyway they dont have to let anyone on. Easy enough to say on foot only etc etc. Its up to the cockies to decide whats up.

"goats are nimble and quick compared to deer"


Lol goats are bumbling idiots compared to deer

Storm in a teacup. As others have said, if farmers don’t want their stock disturbed they’ll just deny access. Other farmers may give access but with restrictions e.g. no hunting near stock but a free reign on the rest of the farm. It’s also a great initiative for encouraging hunters to get stuck into goats on public land

My guess on the timing would be that they want the Nannies dead before they drop their spring kids and the numbers double again?

I've finished lambing here, or very nearly.

I think firearms around stock really is a question of what they are accustomed too. My stock are familiar with the sound of firearms being discharged, and I would think nothing of shooting goats right in the middle of lambing ewes or new calves, if they were there. But I've got a small farm and a massively reduced sheep flock so they are familiar with human interaction, big remote farms may well feel differently.

I think its a great collaboration. If we don't do our bit we undermine our position to advocate against larger DOC culls. NZDA know this.

Its easy to be cynical about DOC - often for good reason - but their governing legislation says they must do what we don't like them doing if we don't.

https://www.doc.govt.nz/about-us/our-role/legislation/

Lot of farms I know of around here muster the goats and off to the works, don't encourage hunters. Know one farmer who allows a hunter on, the cocky gets $20 a goat, hunter has a market, suits both.