Now you have gone done it. How can you claim to be a REAL hunter if you confess to wearing undies ?Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
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Now you have gone done it. How can you claim to be a REAL hunter if you confess to wearing undies ?Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
jeeze I hope its folded shut or in a sheath...you could do damage to the tender artillery also in your undies!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
of are you chasing the "dirty womans fleas" located IN your undies with a knife????
scary either way.
Correct. I asked if it was just for a specific block to named. They said if you tick Canterbury, you can shoot in all blocks under that title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
I would be asking for a second opinion from fellow doc worker before leaving the office tho
This is what is used if you are on the Paleo diet if you are a puristQuote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
i hold it between my teeth if runningQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Apart from bailing and holding the advantages of using thermal and dog are pretty much the same. I don't use either but do find it funny that using a dogs superior hearing and smell to help you is a good thing but using a thermal to check whether its worthwhile climbing down into a supplejack choked gully is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
That is a dangerous place to have a knife while you chase stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
Dogs good.
Thermals bad.:thumbsup:
really???? I mean seriously REALLY????
you walk into shop and spend $$$$$ to walk out with thermal
you spend hours,days,months years even forming bond and training a dog to do the job even half right..
and the thermal usage being talked about is same as spotlighting ...roadside,mostly not even out of vechile find and shoot..walk over and recover animal and go home...its not hunting its harvesting...there is little skill involved...
oh and dog knowing animal there is only 10% of battle
dog has to tell you
dog has to lead you
you have to believe dog
you have to keep dog calm and quiet
you both still have to out wit animal on its terms on its home ground
thermal has its place for pest control on private land...its a tool...and a very effective tool...but its not hunting.
to compare it to using indicating dog is absurd
Nothing bothers me more than mass culling by the government/DOC.
That depends entirely how it is being used Micky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
It can be used and is very effective to watch a face or gullys in conjunction with binos in daylight, however it seems that has now been made illegal other than on private property.
That said the majority (but not all) of thermal owners I know use them as you describe.
I do not use nor necessarily advocate the use of thermals but I do find it amusing that DOC ban them on public land during the hours of daylight. Nighttime I understand as it’s a safety thing. Correct me if I am wrong but DOC support the shooting and culling of big game on public land, yet here they have banned equipment that would enable hunters to do so far more effectively in the daylight and better achieve the general outcomes that DOC desire. Like I said, i’m not advocating it, I just find DOCs contradicting standpoints amusing.
they also stop you flying into areas with high animal numbers...and they cull aerially animals in easy to reach areas...logic and DOC dont belong in the same sentence .
As per the original post. YES , illegal hunting pisses me off. Specially when it happens on my doorstep
Why are thermals a safety issue at night if you can't shoot until daylight anyway? Just saying.
because people are people and will use spotlight or thermal or whatever to actually shoot at night.... the hut possum I can condone...deer across gully,not so much but are realistic enough to know it will happen...a lot of us will have shot deer on side of track...thats different to TARGETING deer with spotlight/thermal etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Allizdog
Thermal Imagers on Department of Conservation managed land.
Using thermal imagers on D.O.C. managed land is great for safe target identification, or spotting game day and night. However, shooting at night is disallowed, so if using night vision or thermal imaging at night, intent not to hunt must be proven. An empty rifle chamber and magazine is sufficient proof at night, or better still, leave the rifle behind when spotting game.
This is written on yukons website.
Fact. yes, using spotlights, torches, any light source and thermals, heat seeking devices etc hunting at night is banned
2 Using any of these devices etc while not hunting is ok. DOc cant stop you walking a DOC track at night using a torch, spotlight searching for animals etc to record numbers etc if you without a firearm or anything to havest a animal with.
It wont hold up in court.......but do you want the hassle when they accuse you but intend to hunt must be proven......just saying
They also use them for night shoots
Who is they?Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange308
D O CQuote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
I think that thermals actually make hunting safer because they can be used to scan for other hunters
It is legal to use thermal, just not at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOO
i do believe this is true. On the permit its relating to night but its not made totally clear but i have no doubt its fine during daylight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewbieZAR
Secondly its totally fine to use thermal, night vision, spotlights, whatever during darkness as well as long as you not hunting.. The hunting permit only relates to hunting, not hunting you dont have a permit
and theres nothing written anywhere, including in law that states you , as a person of the general public cant access DOC land during darkness and use such equipment.
The fact is you can, as long as you not hunting and any intend to hunt end of
Morals ah, they really get in the road sometimes, especially as you get older.Quote:
Originally Posted by deer243
1. Who do you make a complaint to.
2. Is there a chance they will find out you made the complaint (are they friends or have a connection to who you are complaining to). We all know how safe our data and information is these days. Hell, I was involved in a car accident last year where the guy did a runner, 3 days later he rang me on my mobile and asked if I knew how much it was going to cost for the damage to my car. How he got my mobile, I have no idea, it wasnt from the cops, the cops didnt want to know who he was even though I had his name, photo, and details from his facebook page, they didnt care he hit my car, hit another car (mercedes) when fleeing the accident and did a runner from the scene. Wouldnt even take his details down.
3. If they do find out, as they are irresponsible and not law abiding people, is there a chance they might retaliate against you or those around you.
We dont need cowboys with guns in our hobby/sport/profession, it gets people killed, and hurts our way of life.
Choice is yours, do nothing, confront them and tell them to pull their head in, or inform the authorities.
Hard choice. But you know, they say the only good cops are the ones who have dobbed in the bad cops, and maybe its time gun owners had the same approach.
Good luck.
Well where i hunt, 2 of my spots actually the doc rangers spotlight the place. The 1 place they use the DOC ute to spotlight, sometimes a private vehicle, they spotlight the private pine block nearby too.
And the other place the doc guys with a side by side doing possum lines spotlight the place off the side by side.
Seen them both places a few times.
I dont bother, too many locals there poach the place. Im not local there so i just let them do their thing. I still shoot heaps of deer there, its an area where your ute can catch fire if you misbehave. They know me by now and leave me and my ute alone.
im too poor to own a thermal though lol, i just hunt daytime like we are allowed to.
Yes, its a hard choice but from how much of it is going on around here claerly the police dont give a toss. So many areas are being hunted at night its a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Browning
Where i went on weekend i was informed by someone that there mate was hunting there with a thermal week before, and saw a number of deer at 1am in the morning there.
I heard of other people that hunt the main highway at night and average 3 to 4 deer a night which they selling.
Then theres the forestry guys hunting the forsts without permits during the week and using thermals etc.
Risking their jobs for a deer but this sort of thing has increased big time over the last year or two after the cool of period after the camper was shot in a DOC campsite and they cracked down on spotlighters.
scared the crap out of a lot of them now its back to the old ways.... illegal hunting back in force big time
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Regarding thermals and night visions, there are two types: the monocular (or binoculars) type for just scanning and detecting and the scope ( or scope adaptors) for Shooting as well. I can clearly see how the scope version could be possibly a higher risk of shooting somebody( I have played a bit with the thermals of friends and I have seen their advantages and their limits), if used as the only mean of detection as well, and lacking the opportunity of properly identifying their target.
I have no problem if people were using thermal monoculars responsibly to detect their deer during daylight and then carry on doing their normal stalking. Same if used by Bowhunters in that way . Yes it gives them an edge over the guy who don't use them but so is a dog .
And I am not complaining about people using indicating dogs.
I can understand the frustration of some so see their favorite area being cleaned up by poachers or selfish hunters not following the rules on general public. I have a similar frustration when I meet hunters during the roar , who shoot deer after deer in a valley, and let the small trophies and the meat rot ( if they even bother to cut the back steaks)in place because they have not shot yet that 12 or 14 pointers , or they want to brag about how many stags they "smashed" during their hunting week.
But from what I understand, we have a lot of deer out there at the moment and not enough hunters spending enough time out there to knock the numbers down.
We all know how it's ending : 1080 of our favourite spots on regular basis.
How many of you report to doc the number of deer they harvested on their quarterly permit?
How many people out there go and hunt with out a doc permit?
I think at this stage we need to reduce the deer population in some areas seriously if we don't want doc to do it for us.
And as I said somewhere else, I would not be against some new type of hunting or culling permit allowing people to legally spotlight certain blocks to reduce the numbers.
Talking about spotlighting, I wonder if doc over the years have not closed their eyes on the subject as they wanted deer number reduced anyway one way or another . And their was a big wake up when that young lady got shot in the head a few years back while brushing her teeth which. Changed their attitude on the matter.
Yep, they cull the shit out of lots of blocks with Thermal gear, Lands & Surveys farms even around/boarding Doc Blocks, near wiped out Sambar in a few areas, where it was very hard to impossible in day light, Bush Hunting, with out a Dog lol !Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange308
Good Dog is amazing advantage to a hunter, I think better than Thermal gear !
@Friwi:Hasn't been a requirement since the online permit system was put in place.PHP Code:How many of you report to doc the number of deer they harvested on their quarterly permit?
Only hard copy permits obtained from DOC office have provision for kill returns, have noticed this anomaly when getting Restricted Area permits for pest control.
so can binoculars...so can eyes..... when you rely on what you see and believe it 100% BECAUSE I can see it and forget to tick off the boxes needed for positive ID ...thats when any form "yip its a deer" falls over and fatalities happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
As to the original question, yes illegal hunting and for that matter, anything else that brings our fraternity into disrepute pisses me off.
Thats not how I read it. On the not allowed list under section 4 on the permit shown on page 2, there is a separate line that states Spotlights, thermal and infa-red is not allowed to be use for hunting...it does not state at either night or day. Now of course it is more common to use these items at night, but it does not say that. it just says you cannot use them. So if you have a themal on your belt during the day when you are out hunting I would say that is a No-No according to the permit.Quote:
Originally Posted by deer243
Plenty dont get a permit for hunting on DoC land. Plenty use spotlights, thermals, shoot from vehicles whether allowed or not. Drone use is another thing that pisses me off. Go to any popular tramping area and there is a good chance that a drone will be or has been buzzing around. DoC, police dont care or cant be bothered, those breaking the rules just think they are not doing any harm. Its just 1 drone, thermal, spotlight whats the problem. I dont have a problem with thermal use as long as they are not hunting during darkness.
'dirty woman's fleas'? Whad dat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
well if you go visit some " dirty girls" and come away scratching your pubes...you will find answer soon enough LOL
It pisses me right off !!!!
Here's a good one for you all.....
I rolled into a hut a few weeks back with my 13year old son, there were a couple of young 'hunters' from Nelson just packing up and a tramper in residence.
My young fella asks the 'hunters' if they have seen any deer. "Yea heaps, about 6 i think" was the reply. Given the area I think.....shit that's pretty good.
They carry on packing and I notice a thermal and a couple of spotlights, so does my boy.
We then went outside and my boy says to me.." i don't want to jump to any conclusions but did you see that thermal and spotlights?"
Yep i did, so decide to ask them a question....
"Those deer you seen, they didn't happen to be at night did they?"
"Shit yea bro, I've never actually shot a deer in the daytime"! Was the reply.
Unfucking believable !!! No private land for miles only national park !!!
Turns out from talking to the tramper who returned later in the day that they never actually went hunting in the day only at night !!
I find this sort of shit sooooo disappointing!!
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Heres the thing. Clearly thermal and night vision, infa-red was added to the line that had spotlights, torches etc when they became avaiable to be used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kudu
Clearly its meant for night, even thou its not black and white and stated but common logic would say that. You not going to use a spotlight during the day, or nightvision and the powers that be prob
thought you not really going to use thermal during the day either but clearly you can.
Considering its not stated its banned during daylight, and the whole clause in that line is for safety....ie id target etc esp during darkness i think you find one of two things.
1 Nobody, including a DOC person will give a crap if you using a thermal during daylight hours .
2 And even if in the unlikely event that one did its highly unlikely you going to be taken to court and if you did you prob win.
And on another note to just confirm, yukon who sell the thermals wrote to DOC, and have the letter on their website stating basicly the use of them in daylight is fine, and at night is fine as well as long as at night you not hunting with them or ihave the intend to hunt during darkness.
So, common sense and information stated on thermal selling websites its totally fine to use during daylight and lets face it,considering the non action in trying to police or catch people illegally hunting during darkness in DOC
do you really believe they going to worry about you during daylight as long as you have a permit, i think not
Plus if i went into DOC land during the day and using a thermal, im not using the thermal to hunt, but to spot game on a face etc. After spotting the game, the thermal is put away
and i then stalk that game i now know thats there. In a court of law, you allowed to use a thermal to spot game, and after im clearly not using that thermal to hunt so using one during daylight will always hold up in court.
Toitally different at night as hunting after daylight is forbidden, totally different so dont worry about not using a thermal during daylight
I dont have a thermal but have hunted with guys that do and see them in the same light as a fish finder.
Plenty of guys used thermals on Tahr but that didnt remove enough Tahr to save them from the machines