Thread: Kaimanawa Forest Park

I wonder if helisika or their associates have a concession to run mountainbiking business in the kaimanawa forest park ?

Current established cash flows from aerial access there are:
Recreational hunters
Predator control
Sika foundation herd management

Its only going to affect the law abiding (sound familiar!!!)
The locals all know a dozen ways to get in there that's not along the sealed road.

Drove past the intake rd and large steel posts 40m from state h/way, nothing visible on kaimanawa rd

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

I think the mountain biking is on private land. Needles block.

They will still need a resource consent for a place of assembly I guess unless Māori land is exempt from the RMA

Access to the Urchin and Umukarikari tracks is also not on public roads.

I'm lead to believe that the Kaimanawa road has an untouchable public right of way attached to it...

Originally Posted by Hindquarters

I'm lead to believe that the Kaimanawa road has an untouchable public right of way attached to it...

you might be associating decades of public use with public road. Let's wait for WAMS to ge tinvolved and see what they say.

Originally Posted by Bagheera

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Access to the Urchin and Umukarikari tracks is also not on public roads.

The Council GIS shows Road Reserve on all except tree trunk.

Originally Posted by Bagheera

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Access to the Urchin and Umukarikari tracks is also not on public roads.

What GIS is that?

There is/use to be another road/track between Kaimanawa Rd and Tree trunk gorge. We used it once when Kaiwanawa Rd first went to the permit system. There was a footbridge over the river and came out on the Pillars of Hercules track. No place to leave the car though.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

What GIS is that?

If you are referring to the maps Bagheera put up, I dont think they are GIS maps but Topo with DoC overlay on. Could be wrong

Have a bit of a play on Taupo District Council mapping system.
Not sure how to use properly but somebody on here will know.
https://taupo.maps.arcgis.com/apps/w...0c3144560264f6

Thanks @erniec .
The Taupo Council map seems like the same tool as on the Walking Access Govt site but with different data.
I can see a yellow line along some of those roads but it's just described as "road" and its' legal / public access status isn't shown. This is what I could find for Waipakihi Rd:


I think on this forum we're limited in what we can reliably find out about the legal status, whether it's public road, easement, covenant or customary use. However, this is a great platform for spreading true, surmised or rumoured news. It would be reliable if someone were to post photos or recount any experience of restricted access, preferably with a police file number if a complaint were to be made. Representatives of Helisika and the land owners should also be respectfully invited to tell us what's up for them. Often, there is a period before changes are finalised, when things can be negotiated, which is more efficient for all involved.

Unfortunately I think the time for that has passed. The initial leverage for maintaining permanent access would have been during the Tongariro power project construction phase, when public assets were constructed/placed at the end of those roads (water intakes/diversions, hydro power stations). There may well be ROW over the roads to enable the Ministry of Electricity and its successors to freely access/work/maintain that infrastructure. But possibly not over the Waipakahi road, as there's only a river level gauge down at the end of the road .

The only other possible period to have negotiated a right of way over the Waipakahi road would have been during the negotiations for the Provincial Growth Fund that paid for a lot of the works carried out. Trouble being I doubt that the public servants dishing out the PGF lollies would have had the foresight or acumen to have made Public Access a condition when doling out public funds in the form of the grant (i.e. for free) for a private Trust and a successful business to make money from.

https://www.lrft.co.nz/land.html Third Schedule blocks,clickable link.