Thread: Kaimanawa Forest Park

Hence my earlier reply that the Mayor was full of bullsh.t. He must think that's okay to lie? And on the topic of the heli price from the Waipakihi Rd for hunters - 2k to the Waiapakihi Hut isn't cheap compared to flying from their Poronui base? Though no option for anything smaller than the Squirrel from the Waipakihi Rd end? This Govt is allowing past public access that once was to be locked out unless you pay $$$ - go figure. And according to media statements online because of 'flytipping' in the area? Really. Also comments from the mods on the Huts and Backcountry FB suggest we are being racist about the Urewera's hut removal and things will get better though Tuhoe are quoted they wish to remove 'Western influence' from the park? All such a pity really - the downhill slide.

Originally Posted by Hunteast

Hence my earlier reply that the Mayor was full of bullsh.t. He must think that's okay to lie? And on the topic of the heli price from the Waipakihi Rd for hunters - 2k to the Waiapakihi Hut isn't cheap compared to flying from their Poronui base? Though no option for anything smaller than the Squirrel from the Waipakihi Rd end? This Govt is allowing past public access that once was to be locked out unless you pay $$$ - go figure. And according to media statements online because of 'flytipping' in the area? Really. Also comments from the mods on the Huts and Backcountry FB suggest we are being racist about the Urewera's hut removal and things will get better though Tuhoe are quoted they wish to remove 'Western influence' from the park? All such a pity really - the downhill slide.

Yeh; I had a look the other day and thought; has to be a mistake.
$2,000 to the Waipakihi hut, and I think it was $1800 to the Thunderbolt pad. Seems very high, for a short hop. I haven’t had a look on a map, to compare with their other distances. But looks like a decent Koha is going elsewhere, which I suppose is to be expected. If it was my land I’d be wanting a cut of the action.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

As noted several pages back, I sat in a meeting with Woody and XR500 at the Taupo Council offices.

Mayor Trewavas, the council counsel and the deputy CEO were there. The Mayor and counsel both said they were unaware of the issue before we contacted them, and initially claimed Waipakihi road wasn't even in the councils area of responsibility. We now see that the council had made a submission in support of the Trust/Helisika plan, as had Enterprise Taupo - funded in main by the council.

I am left with two possible answers as to the statements from the council

1) They are so fantastically incompetent that they were unable to recall writing a submission in favour of what I think is the largest landholder in the district, or

2) they were lying.

Anyone out there with an alternative scenario? I left Africa because of this sort of corrupt bullshit, and I am horrified to see it arriving here.

Yeah, I have an alternative scenario, based on the thesis "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." though I'm inclined to substitute ignorance for stupidity in this case. I'm not at all surprised that the Council reps at your meeting didn't know of this . I'd speculate that providing a submission in favour of something like this would not be something that crosses any of their desks, and if it did it would be supported particularly having regard for the party proposing it, and the current political climate.

Also expect the proposal provided to Council and the PGF wouldn't have noted that the public access would be closed.

Originally Posted by Maxx

Yeah, I have an alternative scenario, based on the thesis "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." though I'm inclined to substitute ignorance for stupidity in this case. I'm not at all surprised that the Council reps at your meeting didn't know of this . I'd speculate that providing a submission in favour of something like this would not be something that crosses any of their desks, and if it did it would be supported particularly having regard for the party proposing it, and the current political climate.

Also expect the proposal provided to Council and the PGF wouldn't have noted that the public access would be closed.

That is generous of you, but having met the guy I'm inclined to go with 2).

We sent a precis of the issue through, and I cannot believe that nobody did a search of the database with the words Rotoaira trust + Waipakihi road in it before meeting with us.

So if the people in that meeting did not have any clue, at least they must be able to point out who is/ the personal in charge of signing resource consents and stuff like that for the helisika development of their new venture.

I'll conclude this whole thread in just a few words.

You have sadly lost public access. Move on.

Originally Posted by Rusky

I'll conclude this whole thread in just a few words.

You have sadly lost public access. Move on.

Move on. Really. How about we all just bend over and take another one for the team of 5 million.

Originally Posted by Rusky

I'll conclude this whole thread in just a few words.

You have sadly lost public access. Move on.

If we all thought like that we would very quickly find what used to be owned by every single New Zealander was shut up/off limits and would cost you in transport and royalties and other 'fees' to enjoy.

Luckily most of don't lie down that easily

Originally Posted by XR500

If we all thought like that we would very quickly find what used to be owned by every single New Zealander was shut up/off limits and would cost you in transport and royalties and other 'fees' to enjoy.

Luckily most of don't lie down that easily

Spoken like a true trooper

That was the exact response I was expecting.

Good to see some fight is still in some of you. Regardless, do you actually think challenging those responsible for making these decisions are going to "back pedal" and make any sensible changes?

The way I see it, it's a done deal.

True, but the heli company relies on likely more rec hunters throughout the year than just the mountain biking trails they now offer from the Waipakihi Rd end. Hunting clients having second thoughts about their public access routes denied aside from flying in would probably make some statement on what's not right if they looked elsewhere? Look at Lakeland Helicopters and Air Charter Taupo - great service in the past and good competition but locked out by..... the big picture is like an election - you get what you vote for.

Google: "Govt. asked to hand entire conservation estate to Maori"- May 2021.

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

Google: "Govt. asked to hand entire conservation estate to Maori"- May 2021.

As I have stated before the Stewardship Land Review is going to see big changes to NZ's Public Lands. Ownership/Access.

“ You are entitled to feel indignant, to say it's not right, but it is our future.”

This “future” only exists under the current political set up in Wellington where the red party are hostage to a certain faction in their caucus. Hopefully this ends in late 2023…. So best make sure you know which other parties are committed to ending the madness and changing laws accordingly

Originally Posted by chainsaw

“ You are entitled to feel indignant, to say it's not right, but it is our future.”

This “future” only exists under the current political set up in Wellington where the red party are hostage to a certain faction in their caucus. Hopefully this ends in late 2023…. So best make sure you know which other parties are committed to ending the madness and changing laws accordingly

Looks like it's time to start lobbying our Mp's to see whats up
I didn't see any reference to imposing apartheid in labours electioneering. Or stealing water and sewage or. .....
The Labour Maori Caucus are showing just how racist they really are.