Thread: Kaimanawas 1080 drop

Have just received this email which may or may not contain truthful info????

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Just got this about the Clements Rd 1080 drop planned for July this year.(2016)

A number of infected possums, pigs and deer have been found in the area during the last 10 years, these have contagious bush with the Kaipo operation - No infected herds are within the area, this therefore determines that the infection is sustaining itself within the wild animal population - Under the proposed strategy we have the objective of eradication of TB from possums by 2040. To do this we need to maintain very low possum densities to stop the disease from spreading from possum to possum. Target levels being 2% RTC. Herds on movement control will not play a major part in decisions on when & where TB control is completed under this strategy - This operation is scheduled to occur in July/August 2016, weather dependent. Consultation will begin soon - Deer Repellent will be used across the entire operational area


How much of this is bullshit I don't know but guessing where it came from I wouldn't believe much of it

Originally Posted by top gun

Savage me old trout. If you truly believe that 1080 poison ( one of the most toxic insecticides known to man and banned in almost every country in the world!!!) actually SAVES our native fauna then you need to watch a DVD called "Poisoning Paradise" which can be seen on youtube or TV Wild :: Home. After you have watched that extremely revealing dvd you may wish to revise your thinking???? I challenge you to take the plunge & actually watch it & then let us know what you think???? There ya go!!!!

Fuck yeah. Science at its finest.
https://youtu.be/esOEyG-HYYs

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Fuck yeah. Science at its finest.
https://youtu.be/esOEyG-HYYs

Apart from the intelligent sarcasm!!!! Have you actually watched " Poisoning Paradise" or are you in automatic DOC playback mode?????

No personal insult intended ( much ).

Originally Posted by top gun

Apart from the intelligent sarcasm!!!! Have you actually watched " Poisoning Paradise" or are you in automatic DOC playback mode?????

No personal insult intended ( much ).

Funny how you anti guys tend to assume everyone else is uninformed and ignorant, and generally tend to come across as rude.
Some people have just reached a different conclusion to yours.

Originally Posted by top gun

Savage me old trout. If you truly believe that 1080 poison ( one of the most toxic insecticides known to man and banned in almost every country in the world!!!) actually SAVES our native fauna then you need to watch a DVD called "Poisoning Paradise" which can be seen on youtube or TV Wild :: Home. After you have watched that extremely revealing dvd you may wish to revise your thinking???? I challenge you to take the plunge & actually watch it & then let us know what you think???? There ya go!!!!

Go and have a look in the western National Park rivers and report back on what you see.
Because several of them now hold the largest populations of Blue Duck since monitoring has taken place, and quite possibly since pre European times. 1080. Its not all bad.

In fact, if you want I will arrange a day for you in National Park and you can spend it talking with the biodiversity manager and looking at Kiwi and blue duck. You will hear a quite different story to the one that the Graff's spin.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Go and have a look in the western National Park rivers and report back on what you see.
Because several of them now hold the largest populations of Blue Duck since monitoring has taken place, and quite possibly since pre European times. 1080. Its not all bad.

In fact, if you want I will arrange a day for you in National Park and you can spend it talking with the biodiversity manager and looking at Kiwi and blue duck. You will hear a quite different story to the one that the Graff's spin.

I know Dept of Corruption staff who hold non-approved views about 1080 & what it does to the fauna that they are trying to protect & if they ever got reported for saying the things I've heard confidentially they'd be sacked instantly!!!! So don't come at the DOC propaganda bullshit with me sport!!!!

Have YOU watched "Poisoning Paradise"????? I'd really like to know???? AND, I don't think blue ducks actually toddle around the bush getting up close & personal with 1080 baits,eh????( watch P/P & you'll see native birds eating the shit!!!!) Although there are fuck all blue ducks in the Hinemaia & before the 1080'ing of the RHA there were quite a few!!!!!

Originally Posted by top gun

I know Dept of Corruption staff who hold non-approved views about 1080 & what it does to the fauna that they are trying to protect & if they ever got reported for saying the things I've heard confidentially they'd be sacked instantly!!!! So don't come at the DOC propaganda bullshit with me sport!!!!

Have YOU watched "Poisoning Paradise"????? I'd really like to know???? AND, I don't think blue ducks actually toddle around the bush getting up close & personal with 1080 baits,eh????( watch P/P & you'll see native birds eating the shit!!!!) Although there are fuck all blue ducks in the Hinemaia & before the 1080'ing of the RHA there were quite a few!!!!!

Go chill with scribe at his 1080 forum NZ hunter and the hunted, he will love your stories


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Originally Posted by Tahr

Go and have a look in the western National Park rivers and report back on what you see.
Because several of them now hold the largest populations of Blue Duck since monitoring has taken place, and quite possibly since pre European times. 1080. Its not all bad.

In fact, if you want I will arrange a day for you in National Park and you can spend it talking with the biodiversity manager and looking at Kiwi and blue duck. You will hear a quite different story to the one that the Graff's spin.

You can put those duck numbers down to trapping and liberation got bugger all to do with 1080.

Originally Posted by H&K MAN

You can put those duck numbers down to trapping and liberation got bugger all to do with 1080.

Agreed. Trapping the marginal strip is achieving excellent results. But the initial and important knock down was achieved using 1080. And it will be required again to stop another decline. Reintroduction has nothing to do with survival rates on the rivers, which sadly is now falling again. Until another methodology is found, the cycle of 1080, trapping and 1080 again will need to continue if you want these iconic birds to survive and flourish

Laaaammmme. There goes our plan out the bloody window aye @Rusky

Precisely Savage1

The entire area of the RHA has been trapped before and could be again; instead of the desecration with the green rain mate.

Just to be clear, I don't advocate using 1080 where trapping is financially viable and effective.

1080 isn't ideal, but it's better than nothing. Well, for the native fauna and flora.

The very interesting thing about the two websites I mentioned are that they both rely on facts, not innuendo. In the case of the 1080 science site, if people care to examine the section on the ERMA Index you will find literally HUNDREDS of extracts from DoC, AHB and ERMA evidence and other government / publicly funded organizations and by studying these you will see the distortions that have been fed to the public by the "unofficial" media statements which do not reflect the actual science (contained in the INDEX) which propaganda in fact mostly cannot justify the widespread application of 1080 poison.

Contributors to the two sites include several INDEPENDENT (of government) PhD scientists and qualified Foresters. There is an ocean of difference in the comparative credibility of these independent people compared to government employees bound by employment and non-disclosure terms of employment contracts typical of DoC and most other government departments. Police are a government department too.

Not many people are aware that the Animal health Board (AHB)was set up by a exclusive branch of high government which has powers to operate without reference to parliamentary public disclosure, in 1998, called "The Executive Committee". This executive Committee, chaired by the Governor General and including the Prime Minister and other senior Ministers operates outside normal parliamentary process. The AHB was set up by this "Committee' in the guise of A Charitable Society' and thus was exempt from public scrutiny, auditing, AND exempt from the official Information Act and Ombudsman Investigations;-- until 2013, when our public pressure brought in more public accountability. While being funded to the tune of over a billion $$ of public taxpayers funds via treasury, this protected semi secrete organization was allowed to promote mass spreading of 1080 poison along with government funded media cooperation to promote themselves outside the secrecy surrounding their accountability, which was inflicted on the unsuspecting (but paying) public of NZ.

More recently, $5 million dollars of West Coast Regional Council ratepayers funds was secretly invested in the new 1080 factory set up in Rolleston, without any consultation with West Coast ratepayers. The CEO of the West Coast Regional Council, in cahoots with the Resource Consenting Authorities , which Nick Smith is the head of (Because he is Minister for the Environment), along with the government installed commissioners running E-Can, have become profiteering business associates of the poison and the poison factory which they also issue the resource consents for , to drop it all over their region.

Police will do nothing about these occurrences, citing them as "Civil matters", not criminal matters.

LoL !

Originally Posted by Woody

The very interesting thing about the two websites I mentioned are that they both rely on facts, not innuendo. In the case of the 1080 science site, if people care to examine the section on the ERMA Index you will find literally HUNDREDS of extracts from DoC, AHB and ERMA evidence and other government / publicly funded organizations and by studying these you will see the distortions that have been fed to the public by the "unofficial" media statements which do not reflect the actual science (contained in the INDEX) which propaganda in fact mostly cannot justify the widespread application of 1080 poison.

Contributors to the two sites include several INDEPENDENT (of government) PhD scientists and qualified Foresters. There is an ocean of difference in the comparative credibility of these independent people compared to government employees bound by employment and non-disclosure terms of employment contracts typical of DoC and most other government departments. Police are a government department too.

Not many people are aware that the Animal health Board (AHB)was set up by a exclusive branch of high government which has powers to operate without reference to parliamentary public disclosure, in 1998, called "The Executive Committee". This executive Committee, chaired by the Governor General and including the Prime Minister and other senior Ministers operates outside normal parliamentary process. The AHB was set up by this "Committee' in the guise of A Charitable Society' and thus was exempt from public scrutiny, auditing, AND exempt from the official Information Act and Ombudsman Investigations;-- until 2013, when our public pressure brought in more public accountability. While being funded to the tune of over a billion $$ of public taxpayers funds via treasury, this protected semi secrete organization was allowed to promote mass spreading of 1080 poison along with government funded media cooperation to promote themselves outside the secrecy surrounding their accountability, which was inflicted on the unsuspecting (but paying) public of NZ.

More recently, $5 million dollars of West Coast Regional Council ratepayers funds was secretly invested in the new 1080 factory set up in Rolleston, without any consultation with West Coast ratepayers. The CEO of the West Coast Regional Council, in cahoots with the Resource Consenting Authorities , which Nick Smith is the head of (Because he is Minister for the Environment), along with the government installed commissioners running E-Can, have become profiteering business associates of the poison and the poison factory which they also issue the resource consents for , to drop it all over their region.

Police will do nothing about these occurrences, citing them as "Civil matters", not criminal matters.

LoL !

No corruption in little ol NZ tho ay...yea right.

Originally Posted by Woody

The very interesting thing about the two websites I mentioned are that they both rely on facts, not innuendo. In the case of the 1080 science site, if people care to examine the section on the ERMA Index you will find literally HUNDREDS of extracts from DoC, AHB and ERMA evidence and other government / publicly funded organizations and by studying these you will see the distortions that have been fed to the public by the "unofficial" media statements which do not reflect the actual science (contained in the INDEX) which propaganda in fact mostly cannot justify the widespread application of 1080 poison.

Contributors to the two sites include several INDEPENDENT (of government) PhD scientists and qualified Foresters. There is an ocean of difference in the comparative credibility of these independent people compared to government employees bound by employment and non-disclosure terms of employment contracts typical of DoC and most other government departments. Police are a government department too.

Not many people are aware that the Animal health Board (AHB)was set up by a exclusive branch of high government which has powers to operate without reference to parliamentary public disclosure, in 1998, called "The Executive Committee". This executive Committee, chaired by the Governor General and including the Prime Minister and other senior Ministers operates outside normal parliamentary process. The AHB was set up by this "Committee' in the guise of A Charitable Society' and thus was exempt from public scrutiny, auditing, AND exempt from the official Information Act and Ombudsman Investigations;-- until 2013, when our public pressure brought in more public accountability. While being funded to the tune of over a billion $$ of public taxpayers funds via treasury, this protected semi secrete organization was allowed to promote mass spreading of 1080 poison along with government funded media cooperation to promote themselves outside the secrecy surrounding their accountability, which was inflicted on the unsuspecting (but paying) public of NZ.

More recently, $5 million dollars of West Coast Regional Council ratepayers funds was secretly invested in the new 1080 factory set up in Rolleston, without any consultation with West Coast ratepayers. The CEO of the West Coast Regional Council, in cahoots with the Resource Consenting Authorities , which Nick Smith is the head of (Because he is Minister for the Environment), along with the government installed commissioners running E-Can, have become profiteering business associates of the poison and the poison factory which they also issue the resource consents for , to drop it all over their region.

Police will do nothing about these occurrences, citing them as "Civil matters", not criminal matters.

LoL !

Yes Woody, you're spot on!!! It is interesting that at least three scientists that we know of, who were employed by the Dept of Corruption or associated Govt organisations, who tabled reports about the damage caused by 1080 to the native fauna ( birds,insects etc ) lost their jobs and their reports never saw the light of day!!!
Secret Executive Committees and untouchable Charitable Societies?????? You'd think George Orwell MIGHT have known what was in store for us????

NO CORRUPTION IN NZ POLITICS, EH???????????