Thread: Kaimanawas 1080 drop

Originally Posted by deer243

Its a no win arguement...you so clearly pro DOC and 1080 from other posts in the past you have your opinion set, i have mine. One thing is for sure, if you(and savage) actually believe 1080 is just about pest control you in a dreamland. 1080 is a industry, theres been so much BS said on it its a joke, its very political and its controled by the govnerment...not DOC, they the muppets that do as they told.
Pro 1080 supporters attack anti 1080 the same way as anti ones attack the pros.
You think im a joke...i think your heads in the sand and as much a joke as you think i am. Thousands support each view, but many Pro 1080 supporters are often involved in DOC , or have some invested interest somewhere and are bias to the bone. Nearly pointless trying to change anyones mind, as you either in one camp or the other,

Firstly, I am not pro 1080.
I do though view it as a necessary evil for the control of predators and vectors. It requires constraints, but at this time it can't be replaced for critical broad acre use.
I understand both sides of the debate, and I attempt to remain objective.
I am not pro DOC. But I am pro the very hard working and dedicated field staff who are doing all they can with the current science to save our flora and fauna.
I am involved with DOC in the field to an adequate extent to allow me to make an objective appraisal of the their wins and losses.
And I do not believe in fairy tales. And yes, I do think that your grand conspiracy stories are a joke. But I don't think that you are a joke. I view you simply as a dedicated and passionate hunter.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Firstly, I am not pro 1080.
I do though view it as a necessary evil for the control of predators and vectors. It requires constraints, but at this time it can't be replaced for critical broad acre use.
I understand both sides of the debate, and I attempt to remain objective.
I am not pro DOC. But I am pro the very hard working and dedicated field staff who are doing all they can with the current science to save our flora and fauna.
I am involved with DOC in the field to an adequate extent to allow me to make an objective appraisal of the their wins and losses.
And I do not believe in fairy tales. And yes, I do think that your grand conspiracy stories are a joke. But I don't think that you are a joke. I view you simply as a dedicated and passionate hunter.

Have you ever threatened your belief in DOC propaganda by watching the excellent DVD called " Poisoning Paradise"????? Yes/No????

If you do watch it ( you have to be brave & have taken a couple of tranquilisers!!) You MAY well change your friendly views on this super toxin insecticide????

I'd like to see a dissertation on here from you when you HAVE watched it, please. Note: It was NOT video taped in a studio.

Of course I've watched the video tg. I disliked what I saw, even after I considered that it was heavily edited, selective and subjective shit journalism. What it shows is real, albeit I think selected exceptions.

No one likes 1080.
But I have come to the conclusion that it is a useful and necessary tool in controlling vectors and predators. Currently without it I think we would be facing trade sanctions and species becoming extinct at a far greater rate.
Presently, to me it is a necessary evil.

What I have said is not an argument, its simply a view I have formed through observing, listening, reading and researching.

I once held your view and walked all the way from the Urchin Trig to the car park with a deer on my shoulders writing on every single one of the old venetian track markers "DOC kills birds". So, I have the ability to change my mind and perspective when faced with alternative and persuasive information. Do you?!

Originally Posted by Tahr

Of course I've watched the video tg. I disliked what I saw, even after I considered that it was heavily edited, selective and subjective shit journalism. What it shows is real, albeit I think selected exceptions.

No one likes 1080.
But I have come to the conclusion that it is a useful and necessary tool in controlling vectors and predators. Currently without it I think we would be facing trade sanctions and species becoming extinct at a far greater rate.
Presently, to me it is a necessary evil.

What I have said is not an argument, its simply a view I have formed through observing, listening, reading and researching.

I once held your view and walked all the way from the Urchin Trig to the car park with a deer on my shoulders writing on every single one of the old venetian track markers "DOC kills birds". So, I have the ability to change my mind and perspective when faced with alternative and persuasive information. Do you?!

Fair enough sport. You're most certainly entitled to your views. AND: you're the first person on this forum who I have asked whether they have ACTUALLY watched P/P DVD, to say truthfully that he has. Good on ya The video would have had to be editted from the many many hours of filming to get it down to 90 odd minutes but I don't think that there was any scullduggery in the scenarios tho'.

Beers.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Of course I've watched the video tg. I disliked what I saw, even after I considered that it was heavily edited, selective and subjective shit journalism. What it shows is real, albeit I think selected exceptions.

No one likes 1080.
But I have come to the conclusion that it is a useful and necessary tool in controlling vectors and predators. Currently without it I think we would be facing trade sanctions and species becoming extinct at a far greater rate.
Presently, to me it is a necessary evil.

What I have said is not an argument, its simply a view I have formed through observing, listening, reading and researching.

I once held your view and walked all the way from the Urchin Trig to the car park with a deer on my shoulders writing on every single one of the old venetian track markers "DOC kills birds". So, I have the ability to change my mind and perspective when faced with alternative and persuasive information. Do you?!

People usually change their minds when money or employments involved.
They have to be weak minded types.Large scale 1080 drops are pointless.Doing far more harm than good.