Thread: Kiwi caught on CCTV in Broadmeadows Wellington

https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/35...edium=referral

Hunters have an ongoing role of eradicating pest predators so that Kiwi can thrive.
Well done Capital Kiwi. Org

Past time for cat curfew.... Any moggy out past 20:00 becomes fair game.... Oh boy would that ruffle a few feathers. 99% of the time the one that allows us to live in her house is locked inside at night.very seldome we can't get her in and keep her inside by sundown.

So you could justify to yourself killing the neighbour’s kid’s pet cat Micky, just because they couldn’t manage to coax it inside by 20.00?

We have a semi tame stray cat living in our barn. She keeps the mice and rats away, and does a bloody good job of it, but won’t come near the house as we have two dogs. She is spayed so doesn’t add to the cat numbers in the area. So according to you we should kill her as we cannot lock her up?.

if its out in a reserve after dark..so actively hunting and it gets caught up in crossfire or trapped...its acceptable collateral damage yes.
the neighbours kids lost interest in the "pet" aspect about the time mum said they had to clean out the litter box and feed it themselves.
we have had a house cat most of my life..all been well fed but was eye opening just how far away from house they will go,I still recal shooting rabbit with .12ga a good 6-700 yards away from house and got hell of a shock when Ginger,our persian cross took off from nearby thistle patch...he was of course waiting on back lawn for me to deliver his rabbit when I returned to house.

if cockies can train cows and others can train dogs using collars to stay within a certain area and not cross a line..its entirely feasable to do same with cats....ifthe ystay within say 100mtrs of centre city house no issue..but once get past that collar gives tone,then vibrates then wee tickle then zap....clever as they are it would take very short time and they would stay home...shrink boundary as gets towards night and within VERY short space of time moggy is indoors and doesnt want to go out.

Hum, clearly the Karori enclosures aren't keeping the kiwi in.

A cat off its owner property should be deemed feral and fair game. As should roaming dogs.

Originally Posted by Fee Knicks

A cat off its owner property should be deemed feral and fair game. As should roaming dogs.

roaming dogs ARE targeted by councils and if caught and locked up cost hard earned $$$ to get back out..if not claimed get put down.... so it is not a level playing field between cats n dogs at the moment

Originally Posted by Snoppernator

Hum, clearly the Karori enclosures aren't keeping the kiwi in.

Sorry @Snoppernator but you are cross pollinating the local kiwi projects.

The Karori Sanctuary, now called Zealandia was NZ first fully fenced mainland predator free conservation project of its type. The fence is 8km long and keeps predators OUT and Kiwi IN! No problem there. Little Spotted Kiwi were translocation from Kapiti Island and release by the then Prime Minister Helen Clark and Iwi. They are thriving and NOT escaping.

The second project in Wellington is called Capital Kiwi and is completely separate from Zealandia. It's vision is to create an open predator free environment stretching from the south coast, Owhiro Bay, Red Rocks, Karori Light, Terawhiti Station to Titahi Bay in the north. The need of Kiwi released at Sheppards Gully on the southern coast is the larger Brown Kiwi, which is thought to be stronger and more likely to fight off predators. This Kiwi has traveled about 15km to get to Broadmeadows, and has 15 to go to get to Titahi Bay.

https://www.capitalkiwi.co.nz/

Sorry Micky but that last post of yours was just pure drivel.

It’s pretty hypocritical of you guys to criticise F&B’s stance on wild herbivores destroying native habitat but then be up in arms about cats killing native birds. I am not in any way defending F&B.

This is an interesting discussion that wont be solved anytime soon , but the tide is turning against cats being able to roam wherever and whenever they want.

Originally Posted by Sauer

So you could justify to yourself killing the neighbour’s kid’s pet cat Micky, just because they couldn’t manage to coax it inside by 20.00?

We have a semi tame stray cat living in our barn. She keeps the mice and rats away, and does a bloody good job of it, but won’t come near the house as we have two dogs. She is spayed so doesn’t add to the cat numbers in the area. So according to you we should kill her as we cannot lock her up?.

I did some volunteer DOC-work on Great-Barrier years ago , we Live-caught cats to document how far they roamed and what areas , my 'colleague' didn't release-them as-instructed , but killed and gutted-them . They all contained highly-endangered lizards/gekhos , another occasion in the Central Nth-Island we put a tracking-device on the Moggy that lived in the Doc-accommodation , it traveled 4k into the forest which surprised a few . They are very-efficient Predators and definitely impact our Native species . We have five in our household , which is too-many I believe and we won't be replacing-them as they age and die . I personally would Ban them completely from our off-shore Islands . The largest wild-one I've seen was shot with a .243 in the Uraweras in the 70's , it was huge ( small-goat-size ), suggesting they are evolving

Such a pity such a positive news article can decend so quickly in the SOS debate around cats.
It was the same hysteria when the Karori Wildlife Sanctuary (and every other Sanctuary is formed) "(Screaming) THEIR GOING TO KILL MY PUSSY!!!!" (Follwed by hysterical sobbing...) Get a grip!

The rules are simple, you can issue a Trespass Order on a dog, but not a cat.
Dogs must have collar, but not cats.
You can shoot maurading dogs AND you can shoot marauding cats (Pause........Wait for hysterical outburst.....)

The effects marauding cats have on native species in New Zealand is well documented in the NZ Geographic, as well as the Australian situation in the National Geographic, as well as multiple websites (DOC) and multiple news articles. A series of autopsy on feral cat showed the remains of 32 native species.

I once shot a domestic cat, in an area where I was authorized to hunt feral cats, which was 750 metres away from home.

People ask me, "How can you tell the difference between a feral cat and a domestic cat?" That’s easy, "Feral cats are the ones which are not wearing a reflective collar or a bell!" "My cat doesn't wear a collar!?" "Perhaps it should......"

The NZ Geographic article also discussed ways of containing domestic cats on its home property. Containment is expected and achievable for dogs, it should be the same rules for cats.

It is worth noting that the battle to contain feral cats to the east coast has been lost! Feral cats have now crossed the main devide into Fiordland.

The time has arrived for Wellingtonians to decide whether they want wild pussy or long legged kiwi chick's on their front lawns??? I personally prefer long legged kiwi chick's, there is too much scratching involved with wild pussy!

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

This is an interesting discussion that wont be solved anytime soon , but the tide is turning against cats being able to roam wherever and whenever they want.

yep ..... and makes me even more bemused with this relatively recent enthusiasm that's emerged to carry out threatened species restoration projects in/adjacent to urban areas, or otherwise intensively managed rural ( e.g. farms/exotic forests) sites.

Been pretty well established I thought in places like Tongariro Forest that regular predator control operations ( yes, aerial 1080) will provide thriving bird populations. Then you get the species where they belong.... in (relatively) natural habitats. Can't help but think a heap of feelz has crept into stuff like this, as well.

Not something I can get my knickers in a twist about either way. As you say though, there is a choice to be made, pet cats or native fauna.