So I presume you shoot all your animals in the eye with a FMJ at 'the' distance where it doesnt over penetrate, or under penetrate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
Can you advise that distance and the point of aim that results in no 'mutilation'?
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So I presume you shoot all your animals in the eye with a FMJ at 'the' distance where it doesnt over penetrate, or under penetrate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
Can you advise that distance and the point of aim that results in no 'mutilation'?
Watch an episode of our world where two lions are holding down a zebra while the rest of them eat it arse first while its alive:eek: thats mutilation. What we do is quite possibly the nicest death on the planet. Greenies antihunters ect need a strong cup of h.t.f.u and start worring about something worth while. Its farfetched and unrealistic to think animals are killed without blood and or guts.
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there is something nice about a neck shot deer with the whole body undamaged meat to eat.
then on the other hand if you hit the neck bone at under 100m it nearly completly removes a fallow hinds head. very messy. 243 caliber 80gr soft points.
I like neck shots for the reasons listed. The Mrs is comfortable taking neck shots to 300 yards and has taken a few around that range now
Cut the crap "spanners" it doesnt matter a damn what I think really does it. Posting pictures on here of goats with their guts shot out and mutilated deer shows we have very little respect for the animals we shoot or what other people think of what we doQuote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
A few months back I posted a thread on shooting a deer....How we should just spend a minute sitting next to touching and admiring the animal we have shot. Take another minute to wonder which set of mountains he/she was born in and contemplate the twists and turns of the animals journey to meet you here on this spot in the Forest where you have taken its life. There seemed to be a general agreement at the time about the need to show more respect for the animals.
Do you really shoot a deer and sit next to it and think about it? I dont do that, not saying theres anything wrong with that its your choice but I am normally happy as anything cause I managed to shoot a deer. The only sitting and thinking is after its gutted and how we are going to get it out.
also these pics go with hunting. spanners has a point. Hunting isn't flowers and perfume....
No, i dont give a fuck what people think of what i do. Respect yes. Subscribe to the life of bambi, no. Am I ment to have a service for every rabbit ,possum or duck are there lives worth less than a deer. Do you touch up stinky billy goats? I understand your point and agree somewhat but think you maybe taking it a little serious.
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I have shot animals and had to hunt around to see where the wound was, I've also shot the one beside it at the same time and its looked like a bomb has gone off inside it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
The fact of the matter is no 2 projectiles perform the same and 2 proj on 2 similar animals dont perform the same.
This thread is simply about terminal performance at 'long range' as per the title, a topic which is often debated due to the myths of projectiles not performing at range.
'Mutilation'? come on, thats just a bucket of shit; I doubt ANYONE here deliberately INTENDED to do as much meat damage as shown
bloody hell Toby! look what youve started,now sit back and watch!:huh:
Oh dear, haha oh well I could do with some entertainment in this shithole(not forums, hospital) :)
I definitely respect the animal Scribe.
But we all do that in different ways. I dont sit down and say a prayer but there is always that touch of regret/sadness for taking an animals life.
We all owe it to the animal to end its life as quickly and painlessly as possible.
Different tools for different jobs.
Not everyone has the same experience/shooting ability/terrain/animals.
This thread if added to and culled of comments could become a valuable resource for both the novice and experienced alike.
Ditto, can't think of a single photo of bullet damage I've ever taken. Openned animals up to see what damage was done yes, pics no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
May I ask why people have?
Because it is something to use and compare to other animals shot.
So what are we are we achieving here. Some sort of cheap gratification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Im not here to argue. Its my choice that I like good exit wounds and animals dying on the spot. Its your choice you dont.
I bow my head to your superior knowledge about how to kill things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Condasending much. I bow my head to your ultimate pretention and narrow mindedness
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Come on guys lets just drop it.
Go ahead just ignore the fact that some of us find the posting of some of this material offensive. I wouldnt take a photo of a goat with its guts shot out let alone post it on here.
You know what this thread is full of, Stay out, Super simple stuff :)
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Originally Posted by Scribe
Fuck mate do you work for PETA or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
No I dont work for PETA. Our organization Thames Landcare have touched base with them a few time on animal cruelty issues over the last couple of years. They would thank you for handing them free ammunition in the form of some of the graphic images posted here and the comments that follow them. In time these images will pop up again and people will use them against the groups that publish them.
"Spanners" there is no sense in deliberately misunderstanding what I am talking about. Its not the damage a bullet does thats the problem here it the persception of us that is held by people that dont hunt, they see such displays asthose above as a glorification of the mutilation of an animal by bullets.
Look at the "Sow Crate" a pretty innocuous piece of equipment really. Film it at night add some fairly innocent pig noises and pretty ordinary pig behaviour show it on TV and the pig farmers were fucked. Even the Government went into a tailspin over it and hurriedly belted some legislation in place to cover their ass.
Remember keep it clean or keep it to yourself because believe me these guys are going to come after us one day too.
Personally, I do not find the photos offensive. I think this was in theory a great resource to be started. However, I am slightly offended by Toby's remarks that seem to glorify gore.
I understand KiwiGreg's points too and Toby and Greg are probably feeling the same sort of thing (humane and effective kill) but somehow the language used by the younger of the two makes them seem like two different viewpoints. I can imagine Toby playing video games at home and fist pumping for graphically blowing a person's head off. Now that isn't a dig at you Toby it's just how I kind of percieve it. And I think what Scribe is trying to say that is if someone who doesn't understand why we all enjoy hunting and animal control might group us all together as physco killers based on the comments about holes in animals as above when really they are not intended to be taken that way.
Why would some one who doesn't like hunting go looking for pictures of holes in animals??? They are just there to cause shit, I guess the world would be boring without them.
Anyway I wont comment on the exit wounds or show any interest in the pics then, but I still want to see them posted.
Comment away dude.
And I am asking myself the same question as you - silly people who like writing to the editor. And you're right, the world would be boring without them! Or at least quieter. I don't know. I guess it keeps us on our toes and makes life 'interesting' ;)
Toby, some non forum folk with alternate agendas will take opportunity to place spin on our enthusiasm for our hunting / sporting pursuit and then they will use it to cause negative reaction / ill will toward that which we enjoy. As Dougie has said above, carry on commenting. You are entitled to your viewpoint and this forum is richer for your contributions since joining. Our membership is quite diverse and I for one do not have a problem with the naivity and impetuosity of your youth. On an entirely different note if you are still in hospital then tell the nurses how great they are for me (i may need them some day).Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Yeah im doing chemo as we speak, my last lot ,I head back home for 2 weeks after this. The good thing about plamy is the student nurses :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Tussock I suggest you would be better off pointing out the flaws in this mans thinking above. Sort of a short explanation along the lines that accuracy is more important than how big the hole is would probably be more beneficial to this man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Possibly you might find this job more rewarding too.
You are not going to convince me or a lot of other people that Toby's postings of plain gore on a public notice board is a good idea.
Do you really think PETA gives a shit about your opinions that such gore is required to learn how to shoot properly... PETA wants your guns so you cant hurt any other animals.
Keep such gore off the forums...A moderators job is to moderate.... Do It
What peta want our guns so the government can poison our wildlife? I think tobys comment is taken out of context. I like that hole to , i can tell from that hole that the animal most probably died on the spot frm massive blood pressure drop or if not i would not have lived for more than a few seconds with the blood loss that would have occured. If you put this much effort into exposing the evils of 1080 the worod would be a better place.
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Alright then I will play your game "creeping death" try your best to put Toby's comment in context for us all then.Quote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
I have seen many massive exit holes in animals that emptied the gut cavity and never hit a vital organ. We all have possibly. And spent an hour on our hands and knees tracking an animal gut shot with a 30,06 because some clown thought he only had to make a big hole in the middle of the animal to kill it.
Big holes are not very useful really???? Accurracy or bullet placement is what kills.
As for the battle against 1080...I have fought it since around 1971and I have been active in this battle at all times.
In 2011 I was part of a delegation from the Coromandel to appear before Parlimentary Select Committee. This Select Committee was formed to examine a petitition organised by Thames Landcare. The Petition called for an examination by this select committee into
The Criminal Misuse Of The Toxin 1080 On The Coromandel.
Come to to think of it I didnt see any "Creepin Deaths" around any of the meetings of the various 1080 groups around the country over say the last 10 years even.
All down to interpretationQuote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
To me; the terminal performance is something he looks for in a projectile, as was asking if it was a bang flog.Quote:
Oh I like that hole, did it die on the spot?
D.R.T. with the exit wound that you prefer based on prior kills = perfect projectile
ie SST vs TSX @ 50yds - BIG difference. 1 will be 'gore and mutilation' where the other is 'I like that hole'
I think that is exactly the problem regardless of the discussion...Quote:
You are not going to convince me
Do you really need to make a big fuss over my comment?
Here are some projectiles pulled out of things, I will take better photos when I go home but for now these should do. there is a shotgun pellet from a goose, 2 .22lr projectiles from turkeys, and a .44Magnum from my uncle, deer dropped on the spot from that shot about 15m away from memory, When he gave me them for my collection he had stroys with each one.
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Actually Tussock I dont work for PETA perhaps you missed that point. It seems here that L.R wanted to bring them into this conversation as you can see here. Perhaps you guys might like to ask him/her some of these questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by L.R
They way you are over reacting about nothing here is why some people would question if you work for peta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
Avast, i was there as my alter ego "killem all".
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Just going through my old photos, Here is a goat shot with a .50cal muzzle loader, I stalked it to about 10m then shot it in the chest, that is where the ball exited. The goat ran about 15m and just died in mid run. Was my first goat I shot with a muzzle loader, The billy I shot first at about 25m ran into some bushs and I couldnt find it which pissed me off, I stalked it for over a hour to get that close.
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150 sst 270 wsm . Shot high behind the shoulder blade on opposite side there were two exits around the same size. I think one was the jacket and the other the core.
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Would that be good that it broke in half and made 2 exit holes, or would it be bad losing lead because you lose the weight? does the lead coming apart from the jacket make a difference in energy delivered?, sorry for asking heaps, also if you got a exit wound, would it mean that the projectile did not release all of it's energy into the animal?
