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I didn't get any pic's of the pig I carved up as I was short ot time and didn't have the camera with me but the 270 140AB went in the front shoulder one side down the length of the pig and ended up in the oppersite rear leg in a nice mushroom shape an weighed in at 95.5gr so it lost 44.5gr of its weight after breaking two legbones and some ribs...the rear leg had little damage... front not so much
Thats the million dollar question. I prefer pass throughs some prefer internal grenades. I dont think the sst did its job this time it is ment to be a tipped interlock. Ive never had failures with interlocks.
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Well "spanners" me old mate the time has come around again. Two months ago I asked you to take my name off your members roll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
You refused to do it for me....So I will ask again....Will you take my name off the members roll.
Who the hell do you think you are to refuse that request anyway.... I have long ago figured that I have little in common with most of your forum members.
You might be interested in why I made that decision at the time....
1/ Well at that time you banned a member...Fair enough, ban who you like but dont set out to destroy his character on this forum when he is unable to defend himself because of this banning.
2/ Gimp told me if wanted to discuss 1080 I could fuck off somewhere else. Good advice I thought at the time actually.
I have always had a sort of revulsion toward people that like to show gory photos around. We had a few in Vietnam that liked to take photos of people and animals that had been blown up or shot. History showed us that most of these soldiers had deep underlying character flaws. If you want to do this sort of thing email the photos to your mate who may have a similar bent, this public forum is not the place for you.
Much of our 1080 work that is going on all over the country is centered around the cruelty side of death by 1080. We constantly have our work thrown back in our face by DOC AHB and Regional Councils because they often produce photo's and videos of hunters either packing a pig with dogs or some hunter showing a picture of a deer in some distressing position or other. Worst of all these videos/photos are taken by hunters themselves but we get them thrown into our face as examples that hunting is cruel.
So with that short sermon I bid you all adieu....I hope I dont meet most of you again. I dont want to belong to a Forum that posts gore "spanners" So be a good boy and hit the button and send me spinning off into the ether.
Well I guess if you got a pass through it would help with tracking blood, but that is more of a bow hunting.
Im taking my bat and ball and going home.... meanies
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No probs Scribe. Will do ask you ask.
There are 2 sides to every story and discussion and seeing both sides is unfortunately something you miss.
It all depends what you want from a projectile Toby. Frangible (explody) projectiles will drop a lung shot deer(slipped in behind the shoulder on a quartering away animal) like the hammer of Thor and often not even touch the far shoulder if closish. however that same pill up close on the shoulder of a hairy/ covered in mud/ thick skinned/big animal MAY just make a dinner plate sized mess of the shoulder without even penetrating the chest cavity. (Iv had it happen more than once,hence the Barnes for close now)Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
The slower a projectile is going when it hits(further away or low launch vel) the more frangible it must be to mushroom or fragment.
The slower it is going the more desirable fragmentation is for a quick kill.
Explody pills are also great for neck shots as even if you do miss the spine by a wee bit fragmentation will still damage the spine.
Heres the way i look at it toby. If you get bullet expansion like your sposed to and create a large wound channel through either vitals or blood vessels then a decent exit wound to dump the blood death is imminent. I understand the idea od explody type projectiles disintergrating everytjing in its chest cavity when it slips through the rib cage but they limit you in the shots you can take and give you slim margin for error. Hitting bone with these bullets can defflect or pain fail to penetrate causeing massive flesh wounds that can result in long painful deaths with nk recovery. This isnt set in stone its just the way i see it. And im also having a rifle built to shoot then162 amax a notoriously explody bullet but im counting on accuracy and bullet weight to counteract its downfalls.
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There seems to be alot more to projectiles then I used to think. Thanks for helping out, I have become rather interested in them alot. It seems there is no god projectile then is there that would cover close/long range on any animal in NZ?
+1 the plastic tip makes them much more violent, Not a bush pill IMHO unless you only shoot them in the neck or slip it in behind the shoulder and thats just not possible a lot of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
Not really. The nosler partition would be a good compromise with a decent b.c and solid rear section. The sst has worked well for me with that picture being the exception. But for real long range projectile you need an ecceptional b.c and realatively explody design to ensure expansion at lower velocities. The new monolithic bullet ie barnes gmx ect are indestructable and expand well creating good wound channels and normally always exit even in smaller calibres, but have poor b.cs im sure with technological advances this will change.
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Depends what you call long range and what cal your using. the 338s and 375s 416s etc im sure would kill up close with any projectile there is just so much energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Something like a interbond/sirroco/accubond would probably go well out of something that can push them fast enough out to 600 odd but i dont own anything that can. So I run Barnes/amax
Is reloading cheaper? or does that depend on how much you shoot.
The accubonds are HARD aim for bone
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Tussock old fruit I came back to this forum for two reasons...Quote:
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1/ To have a bit of a social chat and rest from writing all those hours every day.
2/ To get my name off the membership list.
Dont forget to twist your knickers
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Originally Posted by Scribe
Don't worry Scribe. I guarantee that most hunters have a reasonable empathy with the animals we hunt. I really like filming them, and also seem to spend more time on the video camera in the maimai. However, I also want to harvest the game for the table. We just have to accept that some people think deeply about the animals/birds, and others couldn't give a shit about them. They just want some meat. Doesn't mean that one point of view makes them superior - like a fly fisherman scorning the threadliner. After all, the animal still dies to provide food for us.
I also don't particularly like if the graphic photos are used as a brag session, which I feel some were doing, however, there is merit in examining the end results of projectiles and their efficiencies. Don't leave the site just because some people don't like your point of view. Just accept that you have your beliefs and others have theirs which you do not agree with.
I am not worried 'lentil" I will devote the time I spend on here to 1080 work though I do enough of that as it is my Wife reconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lentil
I cannot reconcile my work with 1080 and this forums production of ammunition for the enemy just to throw back into our face.
It is a bit hard to persuade landowners to accept hunting and trapping as a viable alternative to residual poisons like 1080 when I belong to a group like this.
Speaking of Barnes BCs, has anyone tried the new LRX's? From what I read they supposed to be the shizzle, they do a 168gr in 7mm but needs a 1:9 tist, i only have a 1:9.5. :oh noes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
Give them a try Spudattack, you might be suprised.
You mite be surprised. Get a sample pack and see if they shoot. Work up to a warm load often a little more speed will sort stability issues. And your only half an inch of the suggested twist anyway
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Was very tempted, might just go and do it now! I like the idea of those because at least if you stumble in on a deer a 50 yards you can still be confident they won't just blow up and not penetrate, while still doing the business in terms of BC. Have any of you tried them?
I use the 7mm 145 Gn LRX for 200yards and under in my 7mmSAUM, they shot very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudattack
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The amaxs will still kill there just messy up close.i used them exclusively in my 300wsm 155 grainers and they were humming. They killed up close but like I said messy.
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How many dirt banks you kill with these buba ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Why only out to 200yrds? Or am I reading that wrong and you saying they work well under 200yrds? I am currently loading the 150gr ttsx and very happy with them, was more interested in something that would work out a bit further.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF
Agree they work great, but wanted to reduce the "mess" meat damage a bit
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all the mushroomed ones are pulled from animals, those other projectiles dad gave them to me, they have rifling on them but no damage to the projectile it's self pretty strange although im sure there is a logical reason how they got there.
Nothing wrong with them at all, I think they are great, i just found the 162 A - Max was rather spectacular under 200 yards and the Barnes had the same poi out to about 250 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudattack
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Sweet, get what you saying, did you by any chance try to stretch their legs or just leave em at that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF
Scribe if you want to go then go, it's your choice and you are free to leave.
We didn't delete you after the last toy throwing episode as we knew you would be back- and you were.
If you feel you have nothing more to contribute and don't want to be a part of this great place, then simply don't log back in.
I think you have more than ran away with the wrong end of the stick, but end of the day it's your choice to stay here or go.
I just left it at that as the 162 a-max has always been such a great performer for me.Quote:
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Who shoots animals these days?:rolleyes:
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More info than you can shake a stick at including pics is Terminal Ballistics Research. NZ guy Nathan hes knows more than anyone I ve spoken to about ballistics reloading projectile performance and how to make your factory gun a whole lot more accurate.
He is a very helpful guy.
