Ministry for Hunting and Fishing confirmed

I know a few guys who made a bit of money and bought themselves a bit of land adjacent to DOC land so as to enjoy recreational hunting and shooting. Their property do not necessarily have to make a return, braking even can be enough for them.
They tend to manage their property pretty well, with trapping …etc. But one thing for sure, they want deer ( and sometime pigs ) on their land , and only their mate to come around and nobody else.
Another point, the handful of professional cullers i am talking to at a moment are shooting deers in the 100’s monthly if not weekly.
Even if farmers were opening their doors to weekend recreational hunters, I do not think they would achieve what professional cullers can do 5 to 6 days of a week every week.

regarding the new minister for fisheries, Shane jones , I think he will play against the minister for fishing and hunting, and probably letting the industry he represents carry on doing what they do to the detriment of recreational fishers, notably in the hauraki gulf.
Having Todd McLay there, might also be a way for National to have a better control over the indépendance of fish and game over what they do and their policies on cleaner rivers, which federated farmers don’t always like too much…

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

we look to the past ,but wear blinkers,when we do so.
forsure the numbers are high right now....BUT unlike in the 40s.... the animals dont have the large untraveled areas as breeding grounds..they arent building up unobserved, eg even our big stations are no longer a two day ride out to the back for a muster 3 times a year. its hour or two on a quad bike or 10 minutes in a whirly bird.
we arent bombing up mobs with an opensighted 303 and hoping for a kill or 2.
you lot are pretty darn sharp with modern rifles/scopes n rangefinders...400 yards is no longer a very long shot for most of you.
thermals have just about replaced a spotlight...and even the spotlights are leap years ahead of what we had...my wee magtoch is better than the landing light powered by tractor battery in a wheel barrow....its not only a hell of a lot more portable,it lasts longer and has better light.
when allowed in to have a go..and the shackles are removed,we the general public DO HAVE A CHANCE..... but removing those shackles to begin with needs to happen.

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The issue this time is not with public land and deer invading private from public. Its the reverse. Having sold my farm in the king country at the peak of the carbon buyup, I had quite some time to talk with the cullers sent in to remove animals. My farm was pretty easy because I actively managed the populations of deer, goats, pigs and possums. That meant that over 900hectares, I didnt allow a deer population of more than 300 animals, a pig population of more than 100 and a goat population of 1-200.
To achieve that I had to cull around 75 deer a year- mostly does, up too 200 pigs a year and 60-70 goats a year.
The result was that in the forestry initial cull, they shot maybe 100 deer, 80 pigs and next to no goats as Id already done it. But they were telling me that the other properties they had bought they were getting initial culls of 700-1000 deer per property.
That tells me that like me, the farmers loved seeing and having animals about. But also that they were making no attempt to manage them.
Thats because management takes effort, time and concessions. Dealing with 300 odd carcases, if you are not prepared too shoot too waste, is a big job in itself. You also cant just let anyone in to hunt them unchaperoned. Because sadly there is quite a level of inexperience and poor decision making in the wider hunting community. You have to actively target females, you have to find a way to make allowing recreational hunters onto your land cover the costs, and you have to be prepared to do some kill to waste.

What this government could possibly do to help would be look at ways to make it easier for wild game meat to be allowed onto the local market.

What Doc could do is look at finding greater and easier access solutions to public land.

What recreational hunters could do is become a bit more professional and reliable.

The problem with selling the meat is poison, some landowners want the deer shot but don’t want to pay but due to boadificum we can’t sell the deer for 3 years. We tell the farmer not to put it out again but they do and then moan that we can’t shoot the deer

Yep then thats a farmer problem. The truth is he could find a solution if he was motivated too.

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Originally Posted by Friwi

I know a few guys who made a bit of money and bought themselves a bit of land adjacent to DOC land so as to enjoy recreational hunting and shooting. Their property do not necessarily have to make a return, braking even can be enough for them.
They tend to manage their property pretty well, with trapping …etc. But one thing for sure, they want deer ( and sometime pigs ) on their land , and only their mate to come around and nobody else.

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That's the dream.

back in the day..the cullers shot 1400 goats off our farm in months before we bought it..similar numbers of all the neighbours..... that put a hell of a big dent in population and it wasnt hard to keep on top of it from then onwards.
that was on foot too.
come the boom year of high goat prices,we saw poaching from the sky.

I agree totally,there will always be farms where some deer and some pigs are wanted,long may it stay that way....but if numbers are that high they causing issues elsewhere,it will need to be addressed....and yes the DOC controlled land is the same...how they manage to get away with rampant gorse is beyond me...its a noxious weed..it should be controlled.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

DOC controlled land is the same...how they manage to get away with rampant gorse is beyond me...its a noxious weed..it should be controlled.

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Rules for thee but not for me.

I wouldn't get your knickers in a knot about gorse to be fair...its actually a fantastic nurse crop for our NZ natives...

Just take a look at the Able Tasman. When I was lets say 5-10years old. Gorse ruled the coastline from marahau to anchorage. I'm almost 50 now and what a difference!!

The native seedlings have pushed their way thru the gorse having been protected by it for years. Gorse can't live without sunlight so it falls apart and dies. In the process it release's a tonne of nitrogen and the natives get a massive boost.

There are far worse weeds to worry about..

Pine trees.
Dougles fir.
Pampas grass.
Hakea.

To name a few [emoji41]

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Originally Posted by kukuwai

I wouldn't get your knickers in a knot about gorse to be fair...its actually a fantastic nurse crop for our NZ natives...

Just take a look at the Able Tasman. When I was lets say 5-10years old. Gorse ruled the coastline from marahau to anchorage. I'm almost 50 now and what a difference!!

The native seedlings have pushed their way thru the gorse having been protected by it for years. Gorse can't live without sunlight so it falls apart and dies. In the process it release's a tonne of nitrogen and the natives get a massive boost.

There are far worse weeds to worry about..

Pine trees.
Dougles fir.
Pampas grass.
Hakea.

To name a few [emoji41]

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Douglas fir is one of the best trees ever to plant in nz. Love them, fukn awesome, more the merrier, I'd love to see half the McKenzie planted with it.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJason

Douglas fir is one of the best trees ever to plant in nz. Love them, fukn awesome, more the merrier, I'd love to see half the McKenzie planted with it.

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You must be joking !!

It can subside above our natural bushline so is one of the greatest threats to NZs alpine environment.

Obviously you don't enjoy hunting the tops [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by kukuwai

You must be joking !!

It can subside above our natural bushline so is one of the greatest threats to NZs alpine environment.

Obviously you don't enjoy hunting the tops [emoji23]

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I would not sweat it kukuwai just a windup no one wants wilding pines including Douglas in our hunting land no one is that silly surely

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Originally Posted by kukuwai

I wouldn't get your knickers in a knot about gorse to be fair...its actually a fantastic nurse crop for our NZ natives...

Just take a look at the Able Tasman. When I was lets say 5-10years old. Gorse ruled the coastline from marahau to anchorage. I'm almost 50 now and what a difference!!

The native seedlings have pushed their way thru the gorse having been protected by it for years. Gorse can't live without sunlight so it falls apart and dies. In the process it release's a tonne of nitrogen and the natives get a massive boost.

There are far worse weeds to worry about..

Pine trees.
Dougles fir.
Pampas grass.
Hakea.

To name a few [emoji41]

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Agreed - Gorse on the Remutakas was the same - everywhere when I was a kid but now more regen is coming through

Up here Auckland council has a full time hunter trying to keep the deer out of hunua ranges.
He’s fighting a losing battle.
He has legal access to any property around here he believes are on.
The landowners get a text message from him stating he’ll be on their property that night.
If Auckland council can do it then surely the rest of NZ can be covered by authorities for wild deer control.

I’ll laugh my arse off at all the farms that have set up businesses having hunters pay to shoot wild animals that come out of the bush when a 500 comes over the ridge and starts laying into the mobs. Far out there’ll be some crying.

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Originally Posted by Tahr

This one (Gov) likely less. They have appointed the Minister, now it's up to us to mine it. If we take a negative approach we certainly will get more of what we don't deserve.

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110% we must make as much as we can from this.

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Originally Posted by Maddoghunter

Up here Auckland council has a full time hunter trying to keep the deer out of hunua ranges.
He’s fighting a losing battle.
He has legal access to any property around here he believes are on.
The landowners get a text message from him stating he’ll be on their property that night.
If Auckland council can do it then surely the rest of NZ can be covered by authorities for wild deer control.

I’ll laugh my arse off at all the farms that have set up businesses having hunters pay to shoot wild animals that come out of the bush when a 500 comes over the ridge and starts laying into the mobs. Far out there’ll be some crying.

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I may well be wrong on this, someone else might be able to clarify. But for someone to gain such access they need for lack of a better term, a warrant from the minister for each property. From memory under the Wildlife act.