Newbie 1080 question

Hi all, im planning my first deer hunt and was/am looking at the Pureora's. i see that they're getting bombed at the moment according to the DOC website. ive read enough to expect lower numbers etc.. but am really wondering if its still safe or worth it to go at all. im not looking for a trophy (but wouldn't leave it behind :) ) and im guessing there are a few different views on the matter. i would rather try Pureora as a first forray than the other closer option (Whanganui) just on the terrain being a bit easier going. your 2c much appreciated, cheers.

When they say low deer numbers, zero is the number they have in mind. You will be safe enough wandering around in a bombed area and there will be plenty of 'trophy' animals lying around. Pureora is a wonderful piece of NZ bush to wander around in, but as a hunting area...I think I would look else where.

Welcome to the forum Red. 1080 is nasty stuff and I am very much against its use. Determine from DoC which areas of the forest have had 1080 applied and when that was. Match that to the map of where you were intending to go. As Spook says, you may not find any animals but if you do go in and you do find fresh sign then that will be encouraging and the rest will be up to you.

Hi Red, welcome to the forum.
I hunt out of Piropiro Flats a bit down there, and know the area a bit. Was down there a bout a month ago, and the areas that DOC said were bombed, hadn't actually been bombed. My mate went into the DOC office a few days before we arrived, and the lady said none of the bombing had been done, even though the website said it had. Your best to get in touch with them in Te Kuiti and talk to them. We went into our normal sort of area and saw 1 and heard another 1-2. Lots of fresh sign and plenty of game trails about. All this was in an area that was meant to have been bombed only a month before :roll:

Choosing Pureora over Wanganui is interesting. Def more animals down there. When/where you heading into Pureora?

PS: WTF are you guys doing up at that time of day?

If you want to contact the Pureora Field base for info there number is (and I am not shitting you)

(07) 878 1080

They will have the best info for you!

And if you get anything get the meat checked before you eat it

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Originally Posted by RODSTA

And if you get anything get the meat checked before you eat it

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How?

Thanks all,

Sniper, the choice was simply terrain, access etc.. im only looking at DOC land at the moment, dont have many contacts for private.. and not willing to pay... yet.. :) ive still got a while to sort my self out. i wont be ready till after xmas. still have to buy some gear to be able to overnight. but hey if you reckon theres more animals in general down there i may have a second think.

Rushy, sorry i should have been a bit clearer, i meant safe to take venison out of the area. i don't really know whether to believe anything that comes from DOC (exclusion zones, residual poisons etc..).

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ditto, who does that?, cheers

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Originally Posted by Twoshotkill

They will have the best info for you!

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Thanks very much Twoshotkill, Will do

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Originally Posted by Red

ditto, who does that?, cheers

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you can dissect the lymph nodes in the jaw if there is pus in the lymph nodes dont touch the meat. there is a vid in youtube some where where an old fella shows you how to do it with a sika jaw.

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Feed it to the wife :P If shes sweet it's good to eat :)

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Feed it to the wife :P If shes sweet it's good to eat :)

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I suspect shes outlasted a few men this way...

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you can dissect the lymph nodes in the jaw if there is pus in the lymph nodes dont touch the meat.

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steady on.. shes no angel. but she is my wife.

How to remove a deer jaw for research - Part One - YouTube here you go guys

thats a very good vid Mucko, cheers for that

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thats a very good vid Mucko, cheers for that

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theres a few other good vids on there about herd management and selecting your meat animals correctly to improve quality of the herd you hunt.

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you can dissect the lymph nodes in the jaw if there is pus in the lymph nodes dont touch the meat. there is a vid in youtube some where where an old fella shows you how to do it with a sika jaw.

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That is for TB right? Exactly what the 1080 has been sown to get rid of?

6 months is usually the stand down period following a drop Red. Unofficially you would probably be safe eating the meat off an animal that was running round happily post poison, if you managed to shoot one. Just don't eat the green baits or scrounge the organs off a dead carcass...

Good basic checks for tb etc but not sure they apply or are useful for seeing if animal has had a sub lethal dose of 1080.

I doubt it, 1080 poisons the liver and has nothing to do with the immune system...

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That is for TB right? Exactly what the 1080 has been sown to get rid of?

6 months is usually the stand down period following a drop Red. Unofficially you would probably be safe eating the meat off an animal that was running round happily post poison, if you managed to shoot one. Just don't eat the green baits or scrounge the organs off a dead carcass...

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the old bugger on there was just referring in infection in general that if there is pus in the lymphnode that the animal is ill and most likely no suitable to be eating, thats what i understood from the vid i dont think he reffered to any one illness. totally agree if running around after a drop it should be fine.

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the old bugger on there was just referring in infection in general that if there is pus in the lymphnode that the animal is ill and most likely no suitable to be eating, thats what i understood from the vid i dont think he reffered to any one illness. totally agree if running around after a drop it should be fine.

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I didn't watch it sorry:)
I also suspect even if a deer has had a sub-lethal dose the meat might be okay. I think it takes more actual poison to kill a person than a deer....

DOC have bombed Mt Pureora right down past Piropiro campground :oh noes:

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DOC have bombed Mt Pureora right down past Piropiro campground :oh noes:

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ohhh a bugger so no point going hunting down there for the next 2 years then ?

Yeah it will be a little while till there in there again. Not all of it is F%#ked though. There is still a masive bit deeper in and lower thats not been hit.
GOD DANG IT!! :omg:

i went for a walk up totara stream road in jan with the inlaws and spooked 1 and then me and the bro inlaw were driving up ketemaringi road and saw 4 in 30 secs standing on the road sadly we didnt have the gun on us haha

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ohhh a bugger so no point going hunting down there for the next 2 years then ?

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1080 is shit stuff, should be banned but when it comes to deer its not always the end of the world in a area.
Im hunting a area thats been 1080 5 weeks after they dropped it.
Its had heaps of rain and all pellets are now long gone.
I saw 7 deer in the first trip in there, thers still not bad numbers there and i have no doubt what soever if they still running around after a couple or so weeks after a drop they be fine to eat .
Deer dont take to 1080 well, a small dose will knock they over, worst then dogs.
So if you wait 3 or so weeks, esp let a few rains go by hunt the area and see whats there.
If a deers still running around(quite likely in high ares) it be fine as it would have fallen over long ago if its had any 1080 in it,

Thanks for all the input guys, much appreciated


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Anyone no what 1080 stands for and the amounts administered in this country....

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Originally Posted by 6MMBR

Anyone no what 1080 stands for and the amounts administered in this country....

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The answer to the second part of your question is...shitloads

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Anyone no what 1080 stands for and the amounts administered in this country....

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1080 stands for Sodium fluoroacetate, a pesticide.
Earlier in the year I read nz gets dumped with 4 tones of 1080 a year!

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The answer to the second part of your question is...shitloads

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Yep :(

Ok, well your kind of a bit brain washed, 1080 is auctuly the catologe number for sodium fluoroacetate, how many of u eaten puha ? And the higest dose in nz is 0.15% of a pellet, ozzy use 3.5% everyware, so where do you all get your info from,, a video of people that got a large bill for making money from state and natioal parks, so payed more to use the land to make a vid in retalation,

1080 isn't really a bad think as such. It's the way DOC or whoever use it thats the problem. No anti smell or taste. Just blanket the land and job done :wtfsmilie:

It's like any poison, bad news if you ingest it. Just like fly spray, ant killer etc. Poison is made to kill shit, thats why we keep it "out of reach of children". To bad it doesn't have a "keep out or reach of DOC" written on it!! :yuush:

If I was to say hunters band together do a wip around gift the money to use repalent, would u, the reason they dont is fish oil is fuckn expencive,

Every thing in moderation a, im sure to much sex will kill ya to.

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Atleast you will die happy :thumbup:

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I have been told deer wont touch anything with blood in it. I dont know how much blood costs, but i'm sure AFCO and the like must have a bit.

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I have been told deer wont touch anything with blood in it. I dont know how much blood costs, but i'm sure AFCO and the like must have a bit.

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Fish and blood is what I was told by AHB fella.
There is very little waste from any meat processor too. The blood is also sold so it ain't free. The application is the problem.