Thread: Not again!

In any activity be Lifestyle , work or sport there are risks.
Quite often in underground mining we get deaths and the same thing comes up in investigation.
The victim was a experienced miner.
In Hunting we say a lot of these shootings are done by experienced hunters.

You can be experienced in your field of work, activity or sport but still be a idiot who has been lucky he has never shot himself or others every time he picks up a gun.
There are miners I have worked with or been around for years who I would not employ or want working anywhere near me because of there unsafe habits and short cuts.
Until we limit the amount of people in the bush during the Roar or even set harder rules in gun ownership this is going to keep happening.
For the time being people need to make a choice of

Do I really want to be in Public land during the Roar?
Take a hard line on your friends who are complete dickheads with a Gun by not hunting with them at all if they don't listen and learn.
Try not to put pressure on each other about having to shoot some thing every trip.
clutching at straws I know but we are heading into a era that we are going to lose our freedom.
If we don't take control the government will.

Originally Posted by Zamkiwi

Until we limit the amount of people in the bush during the Roar or even set harder rules in gun ownership this is going to keep happening.

You're suggesting tightening gun laws in order to lower the amount of people not identifying their targets properly?

It's already illegal to shoot, or shoot at someone because you haven't identified your target correctly.

Maybe we should be targeting the real issue here, also loving all the experienced hunters here blaming once a year hunters, not only were you wrong this time, but also majority of all other accidental shootings, well done, that's the exact attitude that puts you in this mans shoes.

Originally Posted by Jexla

You're suggesting tightening gun laws in order to lower the amount of people not identifying their targets properly?

It's already illegal to shoot, or shoot at someone because you haven't identified your target correctly.

Maybe we should be targeting the real issue here, also loving all the experienced hunters here blaming once a year hunters, not only were you wrong this time, but also majority of all other accidental shootings, well done, that's the exact attitude that puts you in this mans shoes.

No I was not suggesting that people not identify there targets .
You just suggested that.

Have you seen how easy it is to get a gun Licence?
Too bloody easy with not much training involved and before you jump in about its not the new hunters shooting people.
read my post again.
Its so called experienced hunters with bad hunting habits who have been making fatal mistakes.

Bad hunting habits which they gained right from the start by themselves or the hunters who mentored them.

So Joe Bloggs can reinvent himself as a hunter and within a short time have a gun licence.
Pop in to his local shop and buy his gun and get into it.
10 years later he has been taking snap shots at movement and has been lucky enough not to have shot someone.
Now to the next part.
During the Roar everyman and his mates are pouring into the bush to get his trophy or in some case,s whatever comes his way.
Add Joe Bloggs into the mix and he has a bigger chance with his habit of snap shooting or lining up on movement to actually be in a area with other hunters all roaring at each other.


Hunter training has to get serious.
Not all new hunters have access to safe hunters as mentors.
Humans are funny creatures and if nobody is policing them they behave badly.
You need training to drive a car and if not for policing all hell would break loose on the roads .
Come and drive in Africa for a first hand experience in that.

They ballot certain areas of South Island during the Roar.
Can anybody shed some light on case,s of shootings in these areas during the ballot period?

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Originally Posted by Zamkiwi

No I was not suggesting that people not identify there targets .
You just suggested that.

Have you seen how easy it is to get a gun Licence?
Too bloody easy with not much training involved and before you jump in about its not the new hunters shooting people.
read my post again.
Its so called experienced hunters with bad hunting habits who have been making fatal mistakes.

Bad hunting habits which they gained right from the start by themselves or the hunters who mentored them.

So Joe Bloggs can reinvent himself as a hunter and within a short time have a gun licence.
Pop in to his local shop and buy his gun and get into it.
10 years later he has been taking snap shots at movement and has been lucky enough not to have shot someone.
Now to the next part.
During the Roar everyman and his mates are pouring into the bush to get his trophy or in some case,s whatever comes his way.
Add Joe Bloggs into the mix and he has a bigger chance with his habit of snap shooting or lining up on movement to actually be in a area with other hunters all roaring at each other.


Hunter training has to get serious.
Not all new hunters have access to safe hunters as mentors.
Humans are funny creatures and if nobody is policing them they behave badly.
You need training to drive a car and if not for policing all hell would break loose on the roads .
Come and drive in Africa for a first hand experience in that.

They ballot certain areas of South Island during the Roar.
Can anybody shed some light on case,s of shootings in these areas during the ballot period?

When I was talking about experienced hunters etc I was no longer talking directly to you, but to everyone who said it was the new hunters who were making the mistakes.

As I've said multiple times on this forum, experienced people need to take inexperienced people out and teach them the right way to hunt safely.

Originally Posted by Jexla

When I was talking about experienced hunters etc I was no longer talking directly to you, but to everyone who said it was the new hunters who were making the mistakes.

As I've said multiple times on this forum, experienced people need to take inexperienced people out and teach them the right way to hunt safely.

Or just people with safety ethics. Experience can be good and bad.

Yep an experienced fuckwit is a real danger at all times.Unfortunately the goofy gene is present in these idiots...