Thread: NZ Hunter Adventures - Red Roar - Part 2 - tonight!

Don't miss Duke 8.30pm tonight to see if I can make amends for missing the big stag last week!

Remember, only HD on Freeview 13, not Sky 23!

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Looking forward to it!!

Awesome, great show,bugger about that stag

oh yeah baby....will be on it for sure....dont plurry miss this time or someone might have to buy you a poohseventy LOL

@GregD - what’s your Neopod setup in the stock?

Found the part where it showed the federal ammo pack to feed your fat max funny. The rounds didn't come from the box but your pocket, and I doubt the fat max is a factory made round.
Good show though.

So how many people are going to look for that stag yous left this year??????


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Originally Posted by Smiddy

So how many people are going to look for that stag yous left this year??????


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The way you jump onto those wet rocks when water crossing amazes me. What sort of boots or traction addition are you wearing. Me I would of arsed up on the first attempt.

Originally Posted by Gapped axe

The way you jump onto those wet rocks when water crossing amazes me. What sort of boots or traction addition are you wearing. Me I would of arsed up on the first attempt.

+1 I'd just be accepting wet feet

Gimp, the wobbly unlockable swivel of the Neopod is a barstard, so we stole an idea off the much better Javelin and made up that magnetic fitting with a female fitting in the stock, and the male fitting attached to the bipod - the opposite way round to how they come. We also incorporated a dog clutch in the male/female connection to eliminate the swivel, as the neopod's quickly adjustable leg length makes the swivel unnecessary. Probably wouldn't bother again, just use a Javelin bipod and be done with it!

Na, Federal don't load the ammo for the 7mm Fatmax, its a wildcat. But we use Federal components and do carry our ammo in those great Federal plastic ammo carriers.

And Smiddy, Gimp hit the nail on the head. No point going looking for that stag, he went out under an R44 along with a bunch of others back in October/November, and many more since. A certain helicopter operator has had great pleasure in rubbing our noses in that one! They have absolutely smashed the whole herd both east coast and west coast since we left that stag, your saw the pics of heaps of velvety stags in the episode. As Willie said last night, its an absolute travesty and it will take years for one of our great trophy herds to recover. The photos I get sent regularly of what they are shooting is enough to make you sick...but as Willie said, they aren't breaking any laws. Roll on the GAC getting some funding to employ staff to finally get some Herds of Special Interest established for our premier trophy herds. That is the only way this boom and bust destruction will come to an end.

And we wear Lowa Tibets on a trip like that. Good grip on wet rocks, but its also a matter of knowing which rocks to stand on. I'm getting too old to jump too far- you see how much further Willie got with his jump!

Originally Posted by GregD

A certain helicopter operator has had great pleasure in rubbing our noses in that one! They have absolutely smashed the whole herd both east coast and west coast since we left that stag, your saw the pics of heaps of velvety stags in the episode!

That's bloody not on! If I knew who that helicopter operator was I would be having words!! As they know when they take animals out of the hills that the poor old ground hunters don't like it. But to rub someone's nose in the fact that they have done so is just very poor form.

Originally Posted by GregD

Gimp, the wobbly unlockable swivel of the Neopod is a barstard, so we stole an idea off the much better Javelin and made up that magnetic fitting with a female fitting in the stock, and the male fitting attached to the bipod - the opposite way round to how they come. We also incorporated a dog clutch in the male/female connection to eliminate the swivel, as the neopod's quickly adjustable leg length makes the swivel unnecessary. Probably wouldn't bother again, just use a Javelin bipod and be done with it!

Na, Federal don't load the ammo for the 7mm Fatmax, its a wildcat. But we use Federal components and do carry our ammo in those great Federal plastic ammo carriers.

And Smiddy, Gimp hit the nail on the head. No point going looking for that stag, he went out under an R44 along with a bunch of others back in October/November, and many more since. A certain helicopter operator has had great pleasure in rubbing our noses in that one! They have absolutely smashed the whole herd both east coast and west coast since we left that stag, your saw the pics of heaps of velvety stags in the episode. As Willie said last night, its an absolute travesty and it will take years for one of our great trophy herds to recover. The photos I get sent regularly of what they are shooting is enough to make you sick...but as Willie said, they aren't breaking any laws. Roll on the GAC getting some funding to employ staff to finally get some Herds of Special Interest established for our premier trophy herds. That is the only way this boom and bust destruction will come to an end.

And we wear Lowa Tibets on a trip like that. Good grip on wet rocks, but its also a matter of knowing which rocks to stand on. I'm getting too old to jump too far- you see how much further Willie got with his jump!

Great episode Greg. Well done on the old ten. I spent many days in that area when I was at Lincoln 12 or so years ago, so know it well. Never took a stag out of there, although I did see several that would be absolute rippers given a chance to mature. Such a pity it's getting a reaming. Thought Willy's words were quite educational for the aspiring hunter, but I fear for the herd (and other significant ones) that his thoughts will fall on deaf ears. Hope the GAC achieves what we all want it to...

I am all for herds of special interest being formed but having a politically and self interested group like the GAC as it is NOW do anything, is scarier than open slather WARO to me.

A council that will actually benifit everyone's interest should be formed of everyday hunters and user groups that are suitable, not by people already gunning for political status with certain agendas.

DOC imo, are also the largest hurdle for any such group. They have agendas and people in high up places that will never change their mindset.

Just what they tell kids in schools is friggen scary. I have already had a few small arguments with my daughter because of what she has brought home from school.

They imo have gone from being custodians to dictators. They have far too much power and have the means to squash anything that they think will threaten that.
Apart from a few I have met the majority of their employees are single minded. We all know this and I am positive they hire their staff accordingly.

I hope I am wrong but I also think red deer are doomed never to be of special interest. Their trophy potential range is too large.
And yet in my case especially, a trophy red deer is the hardest of the lot to find.

There are ways to limit the impact on trophy red deer by WARO but it requires everyone involved to be strictly on board.

I have been part of a WARO group that went out of its way not too shoot certain animals in certain areas. It actually worked out quite well while we were the only ones doing it. It also did not cost anything as the numbers were pretty good.

Then Doc issued more concessions due to demand and it went to shit along with the attitude.

The other thing that gets little attention is overseas hunters having a huge impact.

It is way too easy for them to get in and hunt here. Some really cut loose shooting everything in sight when they get the chance as they're in all examples I can think of restricted where they are from.

And unfortunately the mainland whitetail and the Wapiti herds receive a lot of their attention.

Some of their attitudes and ethics would horrify the majority if found out.

As it is now, I would lock up the Wapiti and whitetail herds for a minimum of 5 years.
They imo are at the top of any special interest at the moment.
Hearing of parties hunting the Wapiti in January because February is now closed in certain areas is sickening and just fucking selfish.

And let's face it. There hasn't been many if any real decent heads, come out of the Wapiti herd for years. There will always be a red deer shot somewhere else that will out score any wap shot recently. To me that isint right.

Apart from filling my freezer sensibly, I am strictly a trophy hunter and will be for the rest of my life. And I have been for the majority of my time involved in waro. I also know a few operators with the same ideals.

Personally I am not into shooting older character heads or scrubby deer.
Any old deer with size can still pass on their worth imo so I am happy leave them.
And at my age busting a gut to carry meat and a head has to be worth it.

Not everyone thinks like me and that is all good. But for any common ground to be found it will require the attitudes of everyone, not just waro operators changing.
Recreational hunters are the majority that use our backcountry but imo, they in some cases be the most pig headed and are no different to the likes of Doc or forest and bird regarding their mindsets and ideals.

Imo, an operator that shoots a known trophy is just a selfish cock. Likewise for the meat hunter excuse when shot in velvet.
There is always another more suitable animal around the corner. But unfortunately not everyone trusts themselves to find it. They just have to bring something home.

Personally I am happy with where we are at now in NZ regarding hunting opportunities. It could be a lot better again but I don't see it happening anytime soon. It needs a collective understanding and effort. But yeah, it can be done.

GD could you please pm me the name of the operator that has been winding you up?











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Originally Posted by Kudu

That's bloody not on! If I knew who that helicopter operator was I would be having words!! As they know when they take animals out of the hills that the poor old ground hunters don't like it. But to rub someone's nose in the fact that they have done so is just very poor form.

I liked your post mate but this is the attitude that has to change.
The operator who would do this is a wanker obviously. No doubt.

But any overreaction would just strengthen their resolve.

I remember while on a venny run I come across a fella high up in the middle of nowhere. I was amazed as it couldn't have been easy.
I thought, I mucked up his hunt and went in to pick him up in order to drop him anywhere he wanted.

He pointed a rifle at us and then looked like he was picking up rocks to throw.

I got out of there but I have to admit, it put a bad taste in my mouth regarding recreational hunters for a long time.

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