Thread: NZ Hunter Adventures - Red Roar - Part 2 - tonight!

I am all for herds of special interest being formed but having a politically and self interested group like the GAC as it is NOW do anything, is scarier than open slather WARO to me.

A council that will actually benifit everyone's interest should be formed of everyday hunters and user groups that are suitable, not by people already gunning for political status with certain agendas.

DOC imo, are also the largest hurdle for any such group. They have agendas and people in high up places that will never change their mindset.

Just what they tell kids in schools is friggen scary. I have already had a few small arguments with my daughter because of what she has brought home from school.

They imo have gone from being custodians to dictators. They have far too much power and have the means to squash anything that they think will threaten that.
Apart from a few I have met the majority of their employees are single minded. We all know this and I am positive they hire their staff accordingly.

I hope I am wrong but I also think red deer are doomed never to be of special interest. Their trophy potential range is too large.
And yet in my case especially, a trophy red deer is the hardest of the lot to find.

There are ways to limit the impact on trophy red deer by WARO but it requires everyone involved to be strictly on board.

I have been part of a WARO group that went out of its way not too shoot certain animals in certain areas. It actually worked out quite well while we were the only ones doing it. It also did not cost anything as the numbers were pretty good.

Then Doc issued more concessions due to demand and it went to shit along with the attitude.

The other thing that gets little attention is overseas hunters having a huge impact.

It is way too easy for them to get in and hunt here. Some really cut loose shooting everything in sight when they get the chance as they're in all examples I can think of restricted where they are from.

And unfortunately the mainland whitetail and the Wapiti herds receive a lot of their attention.

Some of their attitudes and ethics would horrify the majority if found out.

As it is now, I would lock up the Wapiti and whitetail herds for a minimum of 5 years.
They imo are at the top of any special interest at the moment.
Hearing of parties hunting the Wapiti in January because February is now closed in certain areas is sickening and just fucking selfish.

And let's face it. There hasn't been many if any real decent heads, come out of the Wapiti herd for years. There will always be a red deer shot somewhere else that will out score any wap shot recently. To me that isint right.

Apart from filling my freezer sensibly, I am strictly a trophy hunter and will be for the rest of my life. And I have been for the majority of my time involved in waro. I also know a few operators with the same ideals.

Personally I am not into shooting older character heads or scrubby deer.
Any old deer with size can still pass on their worth imo so I am happy leave them.
And at my age busting a gut to carry meat and a head has to be worth it.

Not everyone thinks like me and that is all good. But for any common ground to be found it will require the attitudes of everyone, not just waro operators changing.
Recreational hunters are the majority that use our backcountry but imo, they in some cases be the most pig headed and are no different to the likes of Doc or forest and bird regarding their mindsets and ideals.

Imo, an operator that shoots a known trophy is just a selfish cock. Likewise for the meat hunter excuse when shot in velvet.
There is always another more suitable animal around the corner. But unfortunately not everyone trusts themselves to find it. They just have to bring something home.

Personally I am happy with where we are at now in NZ regarding hunting opportunities. It could be a lot better again but I don't see it happening anytime soon. It needs a collective understanding and effort. But yeah, it can be done.

GD could you please pm me the name of the operator that has been winding you up?











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