Thread: NZ Hunter Adventures - Red Roar - Part 2 - tonight!

Originally Posted by R93

I liked your post mate but this is the attitude that has to change.
The operator who would do this is a wanker obviously. No doubt.
But any overreaction would just strengthen their resolve.
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Sorry but I really disagree with that. An operator rubbed a hunters nose in the fact that they had shot a stag the ground hunter had been after. And I think that is very poor form and said as such. There was no over reaction. Why is thinking another's behaviour is "not on" an attitude that has to change? Don't I have the right to be upset at another human's actions???......

Originally Posted by Kudu

Sorry but I really disagree with that. An operator rubbed a hunters nose in the fact that they ahd shot a stag the ground hunter had been after. And I think that is very poor form and said as such. There was no over reaction. Why is thinking another's behaviour is not on an attitude that has to change? Don't I have the right to be upset at another human's actions???......

I obviously didn't come across right. Not what I was saying.
What do you think would happen if you had words with said operator?

And in fairness what does it have to do with anyone but the people concerned.
Only they know the truth.

To have a change that benifits everyone, we have to be proactive. Not reactive.

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Originally Posted by R93

Hearing of parties hunting the Wapiti in January because February is now closed in certain areas is sickening and just fucking selfish.

I agreed with everything you wrote in your post except this line. Part of chasing wapiti in fiordland is the majesty of the place, the flora and the fauna and the experience of just being there. Should a hunter wait years and years on the hope that they get a ballot?...that might never happen for them. Would you deny a hunter the experience of hunting in firodland? I don't believe any kiwi hunter can deny another that chance.

So a hunter hunts in there in January and shoots a deer that to him means the world, that he has climbed for, bled for and exhausted himself for. Now if he leaves that animal and someone else shoots it in April then that animal becomes that other hunters prize. But why is one hunters memories more important than another's? Why should they be denied the fiordland experience on the hope that they may one day have their name pulled out of the hat? I also think it is selfish for hunters in the ballot to think that all deer in the park are to be left for them and them alone. That's not how hunting works.

Now I don't shoot pregnant hinds, that's just me. And I have been in a position where I have seen some and left them only to hear a shot half an hour later. When I have checked it out I've found someone has shot one of the hinds that I let go. I didn't get upset as I know I have my own set of hunting ethics and I can't force those onto others. For all I know his family could be struggling and that hind will feed his family for a while.

I am in agreement with you about locking up these special herds for a few years, but I know it will never happen.

Originally Posted by R93

I obviously didn't come across right. Not what I was saying.
What do you think would happen if you had words with said operator?

And in fairness what does it have to do with anyone but the people concerned.
Only they know the truth.

To have a change that benifits everyone, we have to be proactive. Not reactive.

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What do I think would happen if I had words with the operator? Probably nothing, but at the very least I would let him know the sadness and disappointment I would have felt if I was that ground hunter and maybe, hopefully this may ping something in the man's conscience and effect a change.

Yes it may be preferrable to be proactive and not reactive. However this does not mean that we are never to react.

Originally Posted by Kudu

I agreed with everything you wrote in your post except this line. Part of chasing wapiti in fiordland is the majesty of the place, the flora and the fauna and the experience of just being there. Should a hunter wait years and years on the hope that they get a ballot?...that might never happen for them. Would you deny a hunter the experience of hunting in firodland? I don't believe any kiwi hunter can deny another that chance.

So a hunter hunts in there in January and shoots a deer that to him means the world, that he has climbed for, bled for and exhausted himself for. Now if he leaves that animal and someone else shoots it in April then that animal becomes that other hunters prize. But why is one hunters memories more important than another's? Why should they be denied the fiordland experience on the hope that they may one day have their name pulled out of the hat? I also think it is selfish for hunters in the ballot to think that all deer in the park are to be left for them and them alone. That's not how hunting works.

Now I don't shoot pregnant hinds, that's just me. And I have been in a position where I have seen some and left them only to hear a shot half an hour later. When I have checked it out I've found someone has shot one of the hinds that I let go. I didn't get upset as I know I have my own set of hunting ethics and I can't force those onto others. For all I know his family could be struggling and that hind will feed his family for a while.

I am in agreement with you about locking up these special herds for a few years, but I know it will never happen.

No I wouldn't want to deprive anyone of anything. And you don't have to sell me on the reasons to be in there.
However wapiti are not the only game animal in fiordland.

And I was talking about tourist hunters to be fair.
What is the point of shooting a bull in January honestly?
You don't think going into the ballot areas that time of year to target wapiti just to beat the guys that balloted isint a bit selfish?
Isint that defeating what the foundation is all about?

I have never got a ballot. Gave up years ago. I will never likely hunt NZ wapiti as the true trophy potential at this time imo is poor. Despite the hard work groups put into it.
Locking it up or a release might be the only way to get it to its potential.





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Originally Posted by Kudu

What do I think would happen if I had words with the operator? Probably nothing, but at the very least I would let him know the sadness and disappointment I would have felt if I was that ground hunter and maybe, hopefully this may ping something in the man's conscience and effect a change.

Yes it may be preferrable to be proactive and not reactive. However this does not mean that we are never to react.

To be fair, any operator that would stoop to the level indicated would savor that very response.
There are bad ones out there and honestly, I can't believe the operator I think it is, would carry on like that without a reason.

It's sad.





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@Kudu The reason the Wapiti herd is coming back is solely because of all the work the fwf have done, this is all funded by the hunters who apply/get ballots thru there donations. So it’s not unreasonable to let the successful ballot hunters have first crack at it seeing as they have funded the fwf work, those hunters who are going in early aren’t financial contributing to the herd, are shooting bulls before they even have a chance to bred in the bugle, there is nothing stopping them from going in after the ballot to wherever they want to chase them.

There is a thread over at the other pub about how a bunch of young bulls have been shot in Jan by clients of guides! The fwf haven’t done all this work so a few guides can make a $

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

@Kudu The reason the Wapiti herd is coming back is solely because of all the work the fwf have done, this is all funded by the hunters who apply/get ballots thru there donations. So it’s not unreasonable to let the successful ballot hunters have first crack at it seeing as they have funded the fwf work, those hunters who are going in early aren’t financial contributing to the herd, are shooting bulls before they even have a chance to bred in the bugle, there is nothing stopping them from going in after the ballot to wherever they want to chase them.

There is a thread over at the other pub about how a bunch of young bulls have been shot in Jan by clients of guides! The fwf haven’t done all this work so a few guides can make a $

Took you a couple of sentences in what took me a couple paragraphs to get the points I was trying to get across

Maybe another thread should be started. As good as this has been, it is gone off track for the OP

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Originally Posted by outdoorlad

@Kudu The reason the Wapiti herd is coming back is solely because of all the work the fwf have done, this is all funded by the hunters who apply/get ballots thru there donations. So it’s not unreasonable to let the successful ballot hunters have first crack at it seeing as they have funded the fwf work, those hunters who are going in early aren’t financial contributing to the herd, are shooting bulls before they even have a chance to bred in the bugle, there is nothing stopping them from going in after the ballot to wherever they want to chase them.

There is a thread over at the other pub about how a bunch of young bulls have been shot in Jan by clients of guides! The fwf haven’t done all this work so a few guides can make a $

I totally agree with you @outdoorlad . I am 150% behind the FWF. And I am one of the ones who wait patiently for my name to be drawn out of the hat. The point I was getting across is that there are as many different view points as there are hunters. If I win a block and heard that there were hunters in there in the January prior, I would be upset, but also understanding that there may be circumstances that I do not know that led them to that.

Originally Posted by R93

As good as this has been, it is gone off track for the OP

You are right...I'll get it back on track.

Awesome episode Greg. Thanks for showing this north islander more of those awesome alps and for spreading decent hunting values, that I hope are picked up by the next generation of hunters.

I don't know how to link the thread but have started another under Hunting topic to continue this very civil discussion if needed.

That is unless Gred D is happy for this thread to be used.

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Well I just want to say that two part story is one of the very best hunting vids I’ve ever seen. Hats off to you Greg and Willie. You showed it just as it was (apart from the Federal Fat Max lol) triumphs and disasters. You made it a human story. The loss of that stag was the making of the show so you’ve got that to console yourself with anyway. Man what a terrific piece of TV making

Oh Hell hats off to Emile too. Fantastic cameraman and he can shoot too!!